Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'd say its an adequate summary.




Correction: outside interference is a game mechanic that potentially prevents this, AS IT SHOULD BE. Anything else would be akin to instancing and not welcome in Eve.



You are simply proving my point here. Will game mechanics potentially get in the way of you creating this Arena? Absolutely. Is there more than one way around it? Absolutely. Be creative. Be innovative. Use the sandbox. Put your mind to actually doing this instead of asking CCP to hold your hand and create it for you. Make yourself efamous. Create this Arena. You have the tools at hand already. Use them.



I actually kind of like him. He has made some good points, including in the post you just quotes. Red v. Blue is doing something creative in order to have constant PvP. Use them as an example. Extrapolate from their idea. Create this Arena yourself.

Or is that too much work for you?

If you disagree with OP, you are a troll.

We are trolls my friend.

Let me explain something. I don't disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

I disagree because there are already game mechanics in place that would allow for this:

- No CONCORD Response for PvP between Corp Mates
- Perpetual War Decs (Red v. Blue Scenario)
- WHS (Find unoccupied WH, give bookmarks to interested parties and move your combat site around from time to time)
- Null (Find low activity nullsec system, establish POS, anchor GSCs as boundary bouys)

Furthermore, there are so many broken game mechanics right now that adding yet another one would only hamper operations in fixing existing problems.

I disagree and have valid reasons and want you to know that I think you're an idiot for posting this idea.

CCP controlled Arenas are not for Eve. Your system is nothing more than an elaborate dueling system, which time and time again has been rejected by the general Eve populace as it does not conform to the sandbox nature of Eve.

All of the points you have made as to why you can't set up an Arena like this now can be summarized as "Its a lot of work" and "people will just interfere."

Guess what? Those are parts of Eve you have to live with. Or just leave. I'm not partial to either option but you need to pick one.

That's cool. I guess instead of Eve being a game that all players can enjoy in their own manner, we'll just Coform to what u think Eve should be.

Hell, we can make it all low/null sec and see how long it takes Eve to die.

Forget invation and options, we can all just come let you bank us, camp us, blob us, and whatever other things In Eve that you would like us to bend to your will on.

Just know that if you are unwilling to take suggestions on things that other players want because you wont benefit from them, then don't expect us to support the changes u want to make your life better.

So

No to ice only in low/null. Not gonna say yes to alliances controlling the formation of new alliances.

No to revamping low sec cause its low reward. U wanna be there, suck it up and enjoy.

And no to whatever the hell else you think will make your life better.
In your own words

Its game mechanics so such it up and quit crying about all the crap that hurts you.

Please, explain me

Situation 1: two guys docked in a station. That's all.
Situation 2: two guys dueling in an instance (ohnoes, I said the I-word) , you can't touch them while they are still there.
And by dueling I mean dueling - not ratting, mining, trading, watching, chatting, trolling, nothing else.

How Sit.1 is ok in a ~sandbox~ game and how Sit.2 violates the principles of a ~sandbox~ game?

Stations are the one area CCP has allocated for us to use as "instancing," i.e. the one safe zone. The moment you undock, you are in the sandbox and the gloves are off. Other players should have the potential to intervene at this point. Simple as that.

Are you trying to sound stupid or is that just happening naturally?

The point is everything in Eve should have an impact on something else. Instanced fights would mean less "real" fights and thus less global impact.

You still confused? If so, use the test server.

The point is, if your fight becomes "instanced" you are no longer in the single shard that is Eve. No one can potentially interfere. That simply does not follow the fundamental nature of Eve.

But you know, keep on posting like the internet tough guy you are, lol at quoting "biomass your character." That was cute.

wait wait I got it

u mad bro?

d I wish these forums would stop eating my posts. Lets try this again.

Ok.

So I think we have a misunderstanding of what it is I'm suggesting. Which is why i put the word "arena" in quitations when I used it.

This is not a true arena by definition, nor is it instanced.

To suggest that it's an arena or instanced is to say 3 general things.

1) Limted to the amount of players and can involve no outside interference. Only those involved can control the outcome.

2) Is not effected, nor does it affect the sand box aspect.

3) The scenario has a begining and an end.

These however, are not true in this situation.

Think of it more as a uncontrolled pocket inside a high sec system.

These are to answer to the 3 statements that would make it an arena or instance.

1) Anyone at any time can enter these pockets by taking the accel gate in. You can attack anyone in the pocket and anyone in the pocket can attack you. There is not limit to the amount of people that can be in the pocket unless CCP would want to limit it for the sake of server load. You are not safe, the same as you are not safe in low sec.

2) It is effected by the sand box because the isk loss is determined by the price of ships on the market, any player can come in at any time, and what they use to fight are all items provided by the sand box and limited in fit by the sand box.
It effects the sand box because any ship lost in these pockets have to be bought off the market, thus affecting market prices of ships and modules.

3) The only begining to speak of is when the idea would be implemented and the only end to speak of would be in the event it were removed. There would be none of this queing to battle random players for a certain amount of points or last man standing type scenario. Nor would there be queing you and others to battle it out and no one else is allowed to enter. That would definitly not fit this situation.
Like i've said, you can enter at any time and battle until you're destroyed and have to get a new ship, or you decide to leave and are able to get out scott free because no one has you warp scrambled.

When it comes to limiting the ship sizes, this is determined by the accel gate the same way ship sizes are determined in mission accel gate, but in the same manner as missions, anyone can enter the accel gate at any time and affect your mission payout by taking salvage or loot, or can affect you by agressing you and starting a battle. The only difference is if you enter one of these accel gates, you're automatically tagged and can engage or be engaged by anyone else their free from concord response.

Now, the areas where it wouldn't fall under the sand box set rules is players in these pockets won't lose sec status, and no bounties will be paid out even if the player has a bounty on their head. If you want that bounty you'll have to catch them outside of the pockets.

The one aspect of the game that it will affect that tons of players will like is that their can't be any outside interference that can't be responded to. What i mean by this is we've all had a situation where you've been fighting someone either through aggression tactics or just a friendly duel, and someone else has come in and done something to which you cannot legally respond to such as repping your opponent.
In these pockets this can't happen, because if he enters the pocket he's tagged to be killed by everyone else there reguardless of why he's there.

The way that these pockets would fall into the game is that pirate faction discovered pockets of amtosphere that won't allow scanners or distress signals to go in or out. So they built accel gates to get into these pockets to hide out. At some point in time they were cleared out by capsuleers, and cappsuleers decided to use them as areas to settle disputes using their ships. Eventually more and more capsuleers found out and these basically became pockets where they would go to battle out their aggression against whoever was there, and since the atmosphere blocked any scanners or distress signals, concord wouldn't know to respond and wouldn't know that someone was committing a criminal act, thus they wouldn't lose sec status.

You can easily make it fit with lore.

But the main thing I wanted you to see was the earlier part where I said they were ongoing battles that could never stop, affect and are affected by the markets, and has no limits to who can be involved, but only limiting their ship size, and the same pvp limitations of low sec.