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I have been SCAM

The Unknown Bar and Pub
#101 - 2012-08-23 02:02:55 UTC
i 2 haf been SCAM i went 2 traed wit sum1 for a CALDARI NVAY RAEVN but wen i paid i got a CALDARI RAVEN. how did he do it? im sure SEE SEE PEE was behind it and i want my monie or i CALL MY LAWYER
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
#102 - 2012-08-23 02:06:42 UTC
Ya know, I was really hoping this was a necro from a long time ago, but apparently there's more than one of these "I have been SCAM" type guys. What?
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#103 - 2012-08-23 03:08:51 UTC
Margin Trading scam - Keeping the bads out since...Forever. Maybe.

Also, for the typical valiant white knight types trying to defend the OP - There's two types of newbies. First one gets scammed, maybe a bit bewildered, asks how it happens. Deserves some sympathy. Second one gets scammed, rages at everyone else but himself, doesn't read links. Deserves mocking.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#104 - 2012-08-23 05:16:18 UTC
I thought I'd seen all the kinds of Margin Trading Scam Whines, but this one put some good effort into it and sprinkled in a bit of CCP conspiracy theory.



Phelan Kheldian
Be Nice Inc.
Prismatic Legion
#105 - 2012-08-23 05:21:47 UTC

I, too, am a new player to Eve Online. Less than 2 months old, and let me just say: you got scammed, suck it up and deal with it. You posted a thread blaming CCP before you even tried to get the facts straight on what happened. I didn't know about this scam until now AND I admit I had to reread it twice to understand how it works. But basically, you bought an overpriced item that was close by and tried to sell it for an even more outrageous price. The scammer made sure he didn't have the money to complete the transaction. Nothing 'illegal' (even in the real world) happened here:

1) You agreed to buy an item for more than it was worth. (YOUR CHOICE)
2) You received the item. (perfectly legal sale)
3) You attempted to sell the item for more. (that's fine... that's what trading is all about)
4) The person who 'agreed' to purchase the item did not have the money and therefore did not get the item. (No theft has occurred as you still have the item)
5) You came on the forums and raged because you got suckered.

Let me just tell you now something you should know if real life: READ THE FINE PRINT ON ANY CONTRACT! If you do that in Eve Online the odds of you getting scammed will go down a great deal. Don't jump on a contract, reread it at least twice to make sure that 1 million ship isn't actually contracted for 1 billion. It will save you a lot of grief. And be wary of stuff like this where it seems to be too good to be true: it probably is.

As for taking legal action against CCP if they were an American company. Good luck, when you buy a PLEX you will receive the PLEX. What you do with it in-game is not CCP's problem. If you get scammed out of it, you'll have no legal action as anything that happens in-game you will have AGREED on via EULA. Someone blows up your ship and steals the PLEX you were transporting: you agreed to it in the EULA.

Now, I do feel bad for you and I understand you are upset. However, this is the nature of Eve. There are whole websites devoted to the 'scams of Eve Online'. Its crazy, its intense, and its what attracts a lot of players to Eve Online. I'm bored with WoW, SW:TOR, CoX, and those types of games because there is no risk... even in game terms. Eve Online brings that risk to the forefront and its exciting and what makes Eve great. You got scammed, learn from it and move on. If the person who scammed you reads the forums, he's probably laughing at you. And I'm sure scammers are taking notice of your name as you are making yourself appear to be an easy mark. Bad things happen in Eve, bu the good players accept it and move on.

Now, as for your alliance not paying you for your work: you were there for 2 months? Seriously, if I mined for them and I didn't receive payment after the first week, I'd be suspicious... After the second week, I'd leave. Few RL companies pay on a monthly basis... not sure about Eve corps; but, I'd be uncomfortable being in a corp that only paid monthly. I'm sorry one of your corp members blew up your ship. There isn't much that can be done about that except what you did. Do yourself a favor and make sure you do research before joining any corp. Read the forums, google their name plus the words 'Eve Online' and see if any dirt comes up on them. And I have to say: you were surprised you got treated poorly by an alliance called ****? I tend to shy away from immaturely named corps... because there is generally a reason they used an immature name...

If you decide to stay in Eve, I wish you good luck. I'd also suggest you quit looking for the quick buck.
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-08-23 06:23:01 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
I am a 5 months old player and I have seen many scam going on in Eve online. I have today been scam 300mil isk.

Others have already explained you how you got scammed, and it is easy for news players who don't know the market and market skills to fall for this scam.

As a general rule, if something seems to good to be true, then it's a scam or trap.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-08-23 06:41:08 UTC

There are quite some scams out there that work of ... lets call them obvious mistakes in game design.

I do not have a problem with scams, they are great, i have a problem them being enabled by bad programming / not thinking about how mechanics play out. Scamming people should require a little more effort then using a game mechanic that almost looks like it was meant for this. I mean this is probably easier and makes more money then PI Roll
Josef Djugashvilis
#108 - 2012-08-23 06:48:26 UTC
Jullian Valdexron wrote:
I think EVE should have a minimum age requirement of 14 to avoid stuff like this.

Not a good idea, as it would remove some 85% of forum posters.Sad

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The Conference Elite
#109 - 2012-08-23 06:56:56 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
Gogela wrote:

Yup. I was in the Marines doing uniform inspections on an Air Force group... I saw all these severe burns and asked him what happened. Apparently he was running late to my formation and hadn't ironed anything... so he improvised. I wish I was making it up. Totally blew my mind. I wanted to give him a point for sucking it up and showing up instead of going to medical... ended up docking him for a bad press.

At this point i think we're all wishing you were making this up

I dunno.. I was in the Marines and I can see a Marine doing that, but a chairborne ranger? One of Uncle Sam's Aerial Fairies (USAF)? P

Oh fellow devil dog... I know we get shi7 for being a bit slow at times... but the USMC has no Intel training outside of CI and general analyst. If a marine gets another services school they just put the marine in charge... and it is a debacle. Put yourself in my place... coming out of 29 palms for a year and now you PC an AF "flight"? Man I was a corporal. Those AF guys were steppin' tall and getting inspections twice a week. The chairforce will blow your mind... it's like getting a bunch of recruits. It was really f'd up from a marine perspective. ...but that's really how it goes down. I could tell you stories forever...

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Josef Djugashvilis
#110 - 2012-08-23 07:02:38 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
These men ladies and gentlemen, are allowed in on top-secret information, control bombings of "enemies" and work with some extremely expensive and technical equipment...

murcuh, **** yea

Oh... it gets better. It was at an intelligence training school. Lol

Sounds like the right place then.

I am currently training 'intelligence' to 3...must be a 30x skill as it is taking me so long.

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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#111 - 2012-08-23 07:09:01 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Alfred Lim wrote:
That why I say, why play a game where you get scam every corner? Some say that this is like real life, I beg the different, because in real life you wouldn't dare scam a person outright. I am looking for a game that I can enjoy, pve or pvp. But definitely not a game that would make you emotional angry every now and then you get grief or scam. Why play a game then if the game would only make you unhappy?

Yeah, Margin scam, Plex scam and the whole lot of different scam that evolve Eve daily. So is that all what Eve is all about? For the last 2 months I had been scam by P.I.S.S. alliance where I have to contribute all my PI and mine 5hrs of ice each day where promise of payment for my services but eventually nothing and my badger got blow up by blue cos the person wants his killmail to look good and alliance did nothing. I spent another 2 weeks moving my stuff out and settling down from null sec to back to high sec...just to con again.

Eve is all about nothing but being con or go con some1 else :(

CCP can't fix stupid, sorry.

I think its a bit unfair to say , getting scammed by a hidden exploitable mechanic to which no newbie is ever alerted to in any way in the tutorial or otherwise in a severely complex game full of exploitable mechanics doesn't make someone that falls for it stupid.

What is stupid is for for a business to lose subscriptions (money) over the existence of exploitable mechanics. The game gains no benefit whatsoever due to the existence of cripplingly broken and completely unnecessary mechanic like the Margin Trading Skill. I call bullshit on anyone who claims to use this skill for any other purpose other than scamming.

The margin trading skill is a complete and utter fail on CCP's part. Of course its easy enough to avoid by experienced players who know about it, but than again when was the last time an experienced player actually paid for a subscription? CCP hasn't seen any actual money from me in quite sometime. Its guys like this noob that pays the bills.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 

Yui Okane-Mochi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-08-23 09:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Yui Okane-Mochi
Velicitia wrote:
5 month old player and he's just learning now about the margin trading scam?

I will unabashedly say I was well over a year old when I first fell for it. Didn't lose ISK but did about 10 jumps in a DST for nothing as I had the capship component the scammer was asking for in storage. Was surprised when the order evaporated.

I now stock quantities of commonly scammed kit in the trade hubs I frequent to evaporate them orders when i see them.

There are so many things to learn in this game. Don't hold it against the fellow for if he survives this encounter, he'll know not to do it again. Best lessons are learnt in blood.

Some tips to keep your wallet healthy.

1. Keep your ISK and plex reserves in an alt account. Never use it for market/contract purposes. Transfer ISK to the market toon as needed. This prevents risky impulse buys.

2. Stay sober and alert when trading. If you are drunk and/or sleepy, you will lose your ISK or make contracts paying people to take your goods. Done that with a Daredevil BPC one late night. Paid someone to take it from me. Scammers especially hope for drunk traders.

Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#113 - 2012-08-23 09:27:05 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jullian Valdexron wrote:
I think EVE should have a minimum age requirement of 14 to avoid stuff like this.

good idea, as it would remove some 85% of forum posters. :) ]


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2012-08-23 09:30:10 UTC
1 thing thou, if Eve would be a US company, this will not just end here in the forum. Lucky them hey :)

The Scope
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-08-23 09:32:04 UTC
5/10 troll because of number of responses
Randomize All
#116 - 2012-08-23 11:04:23 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
if ccp did this you can try this link,

The existence of an Internal Affairs department is now the single longest running joke they have ever played on their customers.

Here is a list of all their achievements and actions in chronological order.

Thank you.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#117 - 2012-08-23 11:05:49 UTC
To the OP: Facebook stockmarket. The same happened IRL a thousand times over. It's legal dude, ESPECIALLY in the US.

Oh, and one more thing:
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-08-23 11:20:19 UTC
anyone think of a decent reason to keep the margin trading skill?



Atelierele Grivita
#119 - 2012-08-23 11:25:59 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
bunch of random bullcrap

Who cares about some ISK when you got swag? Lol
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#120 - 2012-08-23 11:30:23 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
anyone think of a decent reason to keep the margin trading skill?

Cashflow. It's what keeps markets moving.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori