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Tanky hauler

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Macks Artilius
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-08-23 05:03:53 UTC
I'm looking for a tanky hauler. Something my highsec alt can use to move high-value goods around without being at risk of a gank. I'm looking at something like this, but without the faction mods or T2 rigs:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60399-Occator-HS-Hauler.html

Now obviously there is no such thing as "gank-proof" but I want to at least make the value of the ships needed to
gank mine greater than the value of my cargo. Basically what I'm asking is how many tornadoes approximately could that fit (with T1 rigs and non-faction gear) tank? Lets assume a 0.9 system as I'm mainly concerned with the Jita undock itself. From that, I can figure out what sort of cargo value I'm going to be able to haul before I become a gank target.

Thanks!
Mutant Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-23 06:00:23 UTC
Macks Artilius wrote:
I'm looking for a tanky hauler. Something my highsec alt can use to move high-value goods around without being at risk of a gank. I'm looking at something like this, but without the faction mods or T2 rigs:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60399-Occator-HS-Hauler.html

Now obviously there is no such thing as "gank-proof" but I want to at least make the value of the ships needed to
gank mine greater than the value of my cargo. Basically what I'm asking is how many tornadoes approximately could that fit (with T1 rigs and non-faction gear) tank? Lets assume a 0.9 system as I'm mainly concerned with the Jita undock itself. From that, I can figure out what sort of cargo value I'm going to be able to haul before I become a gank target.

Thanks!

If you're mainly worried about the Jita undock, make an insta with a frig and warp to that every time you undock. Set up a tab on your overview for just Jita with only stations and gates on it, brackets turned off, etc etc. Undock, warp to your insta then warp to your out gate.
Macks Artilius
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-23 07:03:11 UTC
Mutant Caldari wrote:
Macks Artilius wrote:
I'm looking for a tanky hauler. Something my highsec alt can use to move high-value goods around without being at risk of a gank. I'm looking at something like this, but without the faction mods or T2 rigs:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60399-Occator-HS-Hauler.html

Now obviously there is no such thing as "gank-proof" but I want to at least make the value of the ships needed to
gank mine greater than the value of my cargo. Basically what I'm asking is how many tornadoes approximately could that fit (with T1 rigs and non-faction gear) tank? Lets assume a 0.9 system as I'm mainly concerned with the Jita undock itself. From that, I can figure out what sort of cargo value I'm going to be able to haul before I become a gank target.

Thanks!

If you're mainly worried about the Jita undock, make an insta with a frig and warp to that every time you undock. Set up a tab on your overview for just Jita with only stations and gates on it, brackets turned off, etc etc. Undock, warp to your insta then warp to your out gate.


That's what I've been doing so far, but there's always a chance I'll bump into a freighter or something and get locked and ganked. I don't want to be the guy who loses 2 bil of cargo in a T1 frigate; I'm looking for something a little more reliable.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#4 - 2012-08-23 10:34:54 UTC
Macks Artilius wrote:
Mutant Caldari wrote:
Macks Artilius wrote:
I'm looking for a tanky hauler. Something my highsec alt can use to move high-value goods around without being at risk of a gank. I'm looking at something like this, but without the faction mods or T2 rigs:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60399-Occator-HS-Hauler.html

Now obviously there is no such thing as "gank-proof" but I want to at least make the value of the ships needed to
gank mine greater than the value of my cargo. Basically what I'm asking is how many tornadoes approximately could that fit (with T1 rigs and non-faction gear) tank? Lets assume a 0.9 system as I'm mainly concerned with the Jita undock itself. From that, I can figure out what sort of cargo value I'm going to be able to haul before I become a gank target.

Thanks!

If you're mainly worried about the Jita undock, make an insta with a frig and warp to that every time you undock. Set up a tab on your overview for just Jita with only stations and gates on it, brackets turned off, etc etc. Undock, warp to your insta then warp to your out gate.


That's what I've been doing so far, but there's always a chance I'll bump into a freighter or something and get locked and ganked. I don't want to be the guy who loses 2 bil of cargo in a T1 frigate; I'm looking for something a little more reliable.


open 'people and places' window before undocking and scroll to undock bookmark (should be highlighted). The second you undock rightclick and warp, no bumping. Anyways, when you undock, you are invulnerable.. you can't bump into anything.
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#5 - 2012-08-23 12:05:08 UTC
Macks Artilius wrote:
Mutant Caldari wrote:

If you're mainly worried about the Jita undock, make an insta with a frig and warp to that every time you undock. Set up a tab on your overview for just Jita with only stations and gates on it, brackets turned off, etc etc. Undock, warp to your insta then warp to your out gate.


That's what I've been doing so far, but there's always a chance I'll bump into a freighter or something and get locked and ganked. I don't want to be the guy who loses 2 bil of cargo in a T1 frigate; I'm looking for something a little more reliable.


The above poster isn't suggesting you transport items in the frigate, rather that you use the frig to make your bookmark. To do this, undock from the station in a fast frigate, hit full speed with MWD, ABs or whatever and let it fly for a few minutes, preferably so that you are several hundred clicks from the station (a 1000 Km is best, but it can take a while). When you are far enough away mark your bookmark and return to station, swap ship to your tanked hauler, undock and then as soon as you are in space warp to your bookmark. Once away from the station jump to your choice of gate and out of system.
Marc Callan
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#6 - 2012-08-23 12:24:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc Callan
Macks Artilius wrote:
Mutant Caldari wrote:
Macks Artilius wrote:
I'm looking for a tanky hauler. Something my highsec alt can use to move high-value goods around without being at risk of a gank. I'm looking at something like this, but without the faction mods or T2 rigs:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60399-Occator-HS-Hauler.html

Now obviously there is no such thing as "gank-proof" but I want to at least make the value of the ships needed to
gank mine greater than the value of my cargo. Basically what I'm asking is how many tornadoes approximately could that fit (with T1 rigs and non-faction gear) tank? Lets assume a 0.9 system as I'm mainly concerned with the Jita undock itself. From that, I can figure out what sort of cargo value I'm going to be able to haul before I become a gank target.

Thanks!

If you're mainly worried about the Jita undock, make an insta with a frig and warp to that every time you undock. Set up a tab on your overview for just Jita with only stations and gates on it, brackets turned off, etc etc. Undock, warp to your insta then warp to your out gate.


That's what I've been doing so far, but there's always a chance I'll bump into a freighter or something and get locked and ganked. I don't want to be the guy who loses 2 bil of cargo in a T1 frigate; I'm looking for something a little more reliable.


No, I think the point was that you use the T1 frig (an empty one) to make your bookmarks (and it's a good idea to make several, not just one, because gankers have been known to camp at points in line with the Jita undock), at which point you've got warp-out targets you can use later for your hauler. (My technique is to open the People and Places to my personal bookmarks page, and use the bookmark there to warp off the station.) You've got ... was it thirty seconds? Sixty? ... of invulnerability when you undock, so if you're afraid you'll get bumped off true by the outgoing traffic, you can dock up and try again in a minute or two.

A back-of-the-envelope calculation tells me that an average suicide gank Tornado will cost roughly 100 million ISK and do about 10,000 alpha (and get Concorded after one shot), so figure every 10,000 EHP you have as buffer is 100 million ISK's worth you can carry before a gank becomes profitable. With two T1 Trimarks, a T2 damage control, one T2 800mm plate, T2 active explosive hardener, two T2 EANM's and one T2 energized layering membrane (which actually does a bit better than a third EANM), you can get well over 70,000 EHP of armor buffer alone

ETA: from an Occator, I should have said. Post must have been cut off. Stupid me.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Lennvas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-23 12:53:49 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:


A back-of-the-envelope calculation tells me that an average suicide gank Tornado will cost roughly 100 million ISK and do about 10,000 alpha (and get Concorded after one shot), so figure every 10,000 EHP you have as buffer is 100 million ISK's worth you can carry before a gank becomes profitable.


Thats intresting, i recently came up with this, it has 21k EHP:

[Iteron Mark V, safety]
Damage Control II
Inertia Stabilizers II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
Explosive Plating II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II




Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#8 - 2012-08-23 13:47:14 UTC
My understanding is that the 30 seconds of invulnerability switches off the moment you try to warp anywhere or activate any modules...so you are technically vulnerable when you begin to align. If your angle is a little off and you have to align even a little, there is a chance you'll bump another ship and have your warp greatly delayed. If that happens, just dock up and try again.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Metal Icarus
Failed Diplomacy
#9 - 2012-08-23 13:55:51 UTC
A cloaky hauler is much safer than a tanky hauler. The cloak prevents people from seeing your cargo.

Racial industrial 5 is worth it!
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-08-23 15:43:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
[Impel, gank? lol]

800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Expanded Cargohold II
Damage Control II

[Empty Med slot]

Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

EHP before implants and gang bonus:
97,5k vs. omni damage
93,8k vs. RF EMP
84,8k vs. Void
80,4k vs. Scorch
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#11 - 2012-08-23 15:57:09 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:

A back-of-the-envelope calculation tells me that an average suicide gank Tornado will cost roughly 100 million ISK and do about 10,000 alpha (and get Concorded after one shot), so figure every 10,000 EHP you have as buffer is 100 million ISK's worth you can carry before a gank becomes profitable. With two T1 Trimarks, a T2 damage control, one T2 800mm plate, T2 active explosive hardener, two T2 EANM's and one T2 energized layering membrane (which actually does a bit better than a third EANM), you can get well over 70,000 EHP of armor buffer alone

ETA: from an Occator, I should have said. Post must have been cut off. Stupid me.

Quite like this fitting. With my skills I can also push a bit of shield tank on as well:

[Occator, Occator - Tanky]
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Armor Layering Membrane II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

Medium Shield Extender II
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I

[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

EFT is showing 103,346 EHP
Marc Callan
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#12 - 2012-08-23 16:25:07 UTC
And if you've got enough spare powergrid, you can swap that layered membrane for a 400mm T2 plate, which will outdo the 15% bonus of the membrane.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#13 - 2012-08-23 16:42:03 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
And if you've got enough spare powergrid, you can swap that layered membrane for a 400mm T2 plate, which will outdo the 15% bonus of the membrane.

Indeed it does!

[Occator, Occator - Tank copy 1]
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

EM Ward Field II
Small Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I

[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

EHP: 104,321
CPU: 249/250
Grid: 271.6/306.25

But, if we're after a bit more, using this as a base:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
[Impel, gank? lol]

800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Expanded Cargohold II
Damage Control II

[Empty Med slot]

Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

EHP before implants and gang bonus:
97,5k vs. omni damage
93,8k vs. RF EMP
84,8k vs. Void
80,4k vs. Scorch


and changing a few bits:

[Impel, Impel - Tanky]
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Armor Layering Membrane II

Basic EM Ward Amplifier

[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

EHP: 111,431
CPU: 216/218.75
Grid: 304/312.5

T2 rigs, gang bonuses, implants... still a bit to go I think...
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-23 16:50:30 UTC
Impel still has better resists profile against projectiles...

[Impel, tanky]

800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized EM Membrane II
Damage Control II

[Empty Med slot]

[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

117k EHP
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#15 - 2012-08-23 16:59:03 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Impel still has better resists profile against projectiles...

Yup, I'd go for the Impel... will be upgrading tonight!

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#16 - 2012-08-23 17:10:47 UTC
A quick warp and cloaky hauler is almost un-killable.

Second choice would be a real freighter.
Takes many ships and lots of organization to kill it.
Cargo has to be worth more than the gang loss
Hauls more
Holds its value
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-08-23 17:17:58 UTC
Arrs Grazznic wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Impel still has better resists profile against projectiles...

Yup, I'd go for the Impel... will be upgrading tonight!


Only problem would be RF Phased Plasma. But they probably load it if they know they have to shoot Impel.

It's not a problem that can't be fixed...

[Impel, Impel fit]

800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Damage Control II

[Empty Med slot]

[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Kale Eledar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-08-24 17:32:40 UTC
Volune of goods is also a factor. If it's very small, a covops frig with nanos/inert stabs/cloak may serve you better. IMHO, Deep Space Transports are just not worth it, but blockade runners can be teh sex when fitted well.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

Celestial One
Militant Miners
#19 - 2012-08-25 03:07:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Celestial One
This might be an option for you.

Orca hi security brick
EFT all 5's

ehp: 230,823
cargo space: 76,000m3 (40,000 unscannable)
Ship hangar: 400,000m3
cost: ~730 mil with modules

low slot Reinforced Bulkheads II low slot
low slot Damage Control II

mid slot Shield Boost Amplifier II
mid slot X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster Navy Cap Booster 400
mid slot X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster Navy Cap Booster 400
mid slot Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

rig Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
rig Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
rig Large Processor Overclocking Unit I

mid slot X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster Navy Cap Booster 400
mid slot X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster Navy Cap Booster 400

drone bay 5xHobgoblin II, 5xLight Armor Maintenance Bot I, 5xAcolyte TD-300

forgot to add that it is cap stable
SpaceSavage
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-08-25 03:30:04 UTC
if the stuff is small, use a cloaky tengu, will give the ganker hard time
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