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mission mining...I dont get it.
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Tillimitrus Sand
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-22 00:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tillimitrus Sand
So, i tried the mission mining thing with my main and an alt. One in a t2 fit coveter and the other in a retriever. In about two hours of jet canning with the coveter and mining/hauling in the retrever I grossed about 21 mil isk in refined minerals-which neted more than ore. Hardly worth the effort. Now granted Im no mining foreman but i could make far better isk with two combat capsuleers running level 4 mish. For us none mining specialist I cant see how mission mining is worth the opporunity cost of not running mish instead. Is there something I am missing?
If you want to fly safe then dock up. I always fly deadly. - Xeris 7
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-22 00:52:40 UTC
are you talking about running an actual mining mission, which usually is unsellable ore

or mining inside a mission room?

Mission mining nets you good LPs, so ive understood, perhaps im wrong.
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-08-22 01:18:25 UTC
Actual mining missions are for "fake" ore -- bandine and whatnot. And yes, the rewards do kind of suck for the effort involved, but it's a good strategy to build up standings with a faction without hurting your standing with others (because there are few combat missions).
Tillimitrus Sand
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-22 01:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tillimitrus Sand
RollNow obviously I am talking about mining in combat mission rooms. I dont know how you could make 21 mil isk on unsellable ore...
If you want to fly safe then dock up. I always fly deadly. - Xeris 7
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
#5 - 2012-08-22 01:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyreanya
This just in: Running lvl 4 combat missions makes more isk than mining.
More at 11.

Edit, because I felt bad trolling in this forum
Mining has always been lower isk/hour than lvl 4's. This is true for any mining anywhere in highsec (and probably lowsec). So you are correct, 2 toons running through lvl 4 combats would generate more isk than 2 toons mining.

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-08-22 01:45:42 UTC
Tillimitrus Sand wrote:
So, i tried the mission mining thing with my main and an alt. One in a t2 fit coveter and the other in a retriever. In about two hours of jet canning with the coveter and mining/hauling in the retrever I grossed about 21 mil isk in refined minerals-which neted more than ore. Hardly worth the effort. Now granted Im no mining foreman but i could make far better isk with two combat capsuleers running level 4 mish. For us none mining specialist I cant see how mission mining is worth the opporunity cost of not running mish instead. Is there something I am missing?



Are you talking about mining missions, or mission mining?

Mining missions are missions you request and complete for LP. Mission mining is when you grind missions until you find a mission (in a dead space) that spawns roids that you can then mine.

Mining missions can be very good, but not very profitable.

With 4 characters you can blow though a L4 mining mission in about 5 - 10 minutes. The real value is the LP you can make but more so how quickly you can grind storyline missions. You can basically get 1 storyline mission every 2 hours, and make roughly 1.5m isk and 5000 LP per mission. Not as good isk wise if you were mining with all 4 miners, but the LP, corp and faction standing can be very valuable.
Quandari
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-22 02:15:40 UTC
What Nyreanya said - mining has never been as profitable (by itself) as running missions. Some folks prefer to do it because it doesn't require as much attention - you can trade on the market, do industry/PI work, chat with friends, watch movies, etc.. - not so easy with your typical lvl4 mission.
notha atfast
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#8 - 2012-08-22 14:25:45 UTC
The reason many do it is that you have to be scanned down by combat probes to be bothered. The privacy to be able to jet can the Ore can lead to some pretty stress free mining. especially if you can get a large amount of Ore in mission. Sometimes I will bring my alt in to mine mission ores while I run missions from a different agent.

But the real value is the better miner security against ganks and can flipping.
Derath Ellecon
ATRAX.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-08-22 14:32:28 UTC
notha atfast wrote:
The reason many do it is that you have to be scanned down by combat probes to be bothered. The privacy to be able to jet can the Ore can lead to some pretty stress free mining. especially if you can get a large amount of Ore in mission. Sometimes I will bring my alt in to mine mission ores while I run missions from a different agent.

But the real value is the better miner security against ganks and can flipping.


And with the new barges, anyone still jetcan mining is doing it wrong.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#10 - 2012-08-22 14:42:33 UTC
And with the new popularity of mining and the fact that entire systems can be cleaned out of asteroids near trade hubs... mission mining can be useful to spawn mine able roids when all the public belts are empty.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

notha atfast
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#11 - 2012-08-22 15:32:02 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
notha atfast wrote:
The reason many do it is that you have to be scanned down by combat probes to be bothered. The privacy to be able to jet can the Ore can lead to some pretty stress free mining. especially if you can get a large amount of Ore in mission. Sometimes I will bring my alt in to mine mission ores while I run missions from a different agent.

But the real value is the better miner security against ganks and can flipping.


And with the new barges, anyone still jetcan mining is doing it wrong.


hulk still out yields the Mack. With the safety of being in a mission I will take the yield over your ore hold any day of the week.
Ginger Barbarella
#12 - 2012-08-22 15:46:18 UTC
Tillimitrus Sand wrote:
So, i tried the mission mining thing with my main and an alt. One in a t2 fit coveter and the other in a retriever. In about two hours of jet canning with the coveter and mining/hauling in the retrever I grossed about 21 mil isk in refined minerals-which neted more than ore. Hardly worth the effort. Now granted Im no mining foreman but i could make far better isk with two combat capsuleers running level 4 mish. For us none mining specialist I cant see how mission mining is worth the opporunity cost of not running mish instead. Is there something I am missing?


If you did it thinking it was something to add isk to your mission, you did it wrong. Mining in-mission is for people that like mining and know it's less risky that belt mining. If you go into it thinking it's something you need to do for your mission take, you already lost.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella
#13 - 2012-08-22 15:47:45 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
notha atfast wrote:
The reason many do it is that you have to be scanned down by combat probes to be bothered. The privacy to be able to jet can the Ore can lead to some pretty stress free mining. especially if you can get a large amount of Ore in mission. Sometimes I will bring my alt in to mine mission ores while I run missions from a different agent.

But the real value is the better miner security against ganks and can flipping.


And with the new barges, anyone still jetcan mining is doing it wrong.


You're assuming everyone has Orca support, and if not, they're "doing it wrong" (tm).

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#14 - 2012-08-22 16:09:36 UTC
If you are truly solo mining in a public belt without orca/hauler support, I would classify jet can mining with a hulk to potentially be an inferior choice compared to ore bay mining with a mack... but not strictly an inferior choice (AKA 'doing it wrong') I would argue that the increased risk of losing your ore that public jet can mining brings more than outweighs the higher yield that a hulk/Covetor can bring in.

There are several factors that can mitigate this:

1. If you are mining in a grav site or mission, the risk of ore theft is reduced (but not eliminated) as both require active probing to find for would-be ore thieves.
2. If you have a sufficiently dead high sec system (possibly a high sec island) there may be so few people that the risk of ore thieves is lower.

In short, jet can mining with a hulk/covetor is simply a risk/reward choice and not strictly inferior depending on circumstances.


Now, if you want to talk about "Doing it wrong" someone mining with a Mackinaw/Retriever when they DO have orca support. That is a strictly inferior choice and you should be using either a hulk/covetor or procurer/skiff depending on how much ganking risk you are willing to tolerate.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Idris Helion
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-08-22 16:25:23 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
notha atfast wrote:
The reason many do it is that you have to be scanned down by combat probes to be bothered. The privacy to be able to jet can the Ore can lead to some pretty stress free mining. especially if you can get a large amount of Ore in mission. Sometimes I will bring my alt in to mine mission ores while I run missions from a different agent.

But the real value is the better miner security against ganks and can flipping.


And with the new barges, anyone still jetcan mining is doing it wrong.


You're assuming everyone has Orca support, and if not, they're "doing it wrong" (tm).


I would amend that to say, "If you're solo mining in a Hulk without logi support, you're doing it wrong." Rets and Macks can get by fine because of that huge ore bay. But using a Hulk or Covetor without logi/fleet booster support is wasting the ship because that's not it's role.
Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#16 - 2012-08-22 17:11:21 UTC
notha atfast wrote:
The reason many do it is that you have to be scanned down by combat probes to be bothered. The privacy to be able to jet can the Ore can lead to some pretty stress free mining. especially if you can get a large amount of Ore in mission. Sometimes I will bring my alt in to mine mission ores while I run missions from a different agent.

But the real value is the better miner security against ganks and can flipping.


Not empty quotin'.

Mission mining is just belt mining with fewer can flippers.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#17 - 2012-08-22 18:37:15 UTC
Fewer canflippers and pretty much no competition.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Din Chao
#18 - 2012-08-22 18:59:01 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Fewer canflippers and pretty much no competition.

Not to mention, instantly renewable resources.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#19 - 2012-08-23 08:03:01 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
notha atfast wrote:
The reason many do it is that you have to be scanned down by combat probes to be bothered. The privacy to be able to jet can the Ore can lead to some pretty stress free mining. especially if you can get a large amount of Ore in mission. Sometimes I will bring my alt in to mine mission ores while I run missions from a different agent.

But the real value is the better miner security against ganks and can flipping.


And with the new barges, anyone still jetcan mining is doing it wrong.



Wrong, Hulk is still the highest yield mining ship, Jetcanning is also the most profitable way to mine without wasting a toon for hauling in the orca. If you docking up everytime your full your wasting isk and time, Empire bare ideas like this is why people few miners as idiots.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#20 - 2012-08-23 08:04:33 UTC
Quote:
I would amend that to say, "If you're solo mining in a Hulk without logi support, you're doing it wrong." Rets and Macks can get by fine because of that huge ore bay. But using a Hulk or Covetor without logi/fleet booster support is wasting the ship because that's not it's role.


Wrong again, Hulk is not a FLEET only vessel. just cus ccp says that doesnt mean ****. It still has a massive yield bonus over the mack and ret. There is nothing wrong with solo mining in a hulk since it is the most profitable.
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