Ships & Modules

The fact that a dbl asb BC can tank 6-7 bcs in ANY situation in fundamentally broken and beyond ridiculous... These are TECH 1 MODULES we are talking about, holding up to thousands and thousands of dps while being immune to nuets. Are you guys bloody crazy? Overall this has to be one of the worst ideas implemented in years and there has sure been some pretty bad idea over the past 3-4 years.

Too many scrublords thinking they are good at the game which is contributing towards the positive opinion of these modules. I'd advise you try and removal your personal bias from the situation and look at the health of eve in an objective and constructive manner. Supporting the idea that capless t1 modules should out tank multi billion isk dead space tanks that require cap AND more slots is an obvious example of personal bias.

Regardless of what CCP may tell you,these modules have contributed towards a shrinking of fit diversity, not the an increase... As stated by both liang and branko given a years time they will be the standard on almost all ships outside of anything other than pve, and very large scale fleet fights.

I'm of the strong opinion that these asbs have 100% no place in eve in their current implementation. However if they were designed to be a "back up" shield repper used to supplement your standard shield tank in times of heavy nueting/increased focus fire I could be on board. Currently they are just better versions of normal shield boosters requiring less slots, repping magnitudes more, while being immune to cap warfare. They are simply extremely broken atm. My advice to ccp would be to stop listening to obviously bad ideas proposed in sticky "idea" troll threads.

You mean this guy? or Or this one?

You could have tanked both without an ASB. You might have lived or died. Just as you might have lived or died with the ASB past your reload...

You tanked the AML caracal for 70 seconds? Or less than 54? Whatever it was, it wasnt long enough. I presume he drove you off because he isnt on your killboard. Working as intended.

And you have lost 3 ASB frigates in 1 v 1s this month. They are not invincible, even solo.

Im not attacking your ability or your killboard. I have lost lots of ships this month, many in derpage fasion. The point is that people are saying that ASBs make ships near invincible, and they simply dont. They are not an iWin button.

And to Jerick - did you read my post? I said multiple ASB fits need to be looked at. I also said armor tanking needs to be looked at.

I could show Hrett videos of many engagements with ships using dual armor repair that I've flown over the years (Myrmidon, Brutix, Thorax, Stabber fleet Issue, Cynabal, Dominix Navy, Dominix, Megathron Navy, Absolution, Machariel etc).

The myrmidon was interesting for awhile and it's still very effective with 3 armor repairs. Infact, a triple armour repair Myrmidon is still almost as good as most dual ASB battlecruisers. However, pilots have all but thrown away armour repairs on a Myrmidon for 2 xl asb. Why? Apparently 1 xl asb tanks as much as 3 armour repairs and uses no cap...

Anyway.

Active armor repairing was superior to active shield tanking for a long time. Mainly because it didnt require implants to get the most out of those setups. I prefered them for soloing in 0.0 for that reason. Obv investing billions into active shield tanking sh!t became different, but not by much. Well, @tleast not below command ships.

I could already tank multiple battlecruisers in active armor tank ships with the aid of pills, damage and heat.

Now, I don't need pills @ all. The only area I'll use active armor tanking is on the battleship level and sometimes on the frigate level. When it comes to cruisers and bc's the choice is asb's most of the time.

So, yeah! You're wrong and were or are still terribubble if you believe active tanking was sh!t before. You're just ignorant. Nothing wrong with not knowning or not going out thier and soloing in those ships and doing it successfully but whatever.


@ Hrett; I suggest you chat with loren gal and ask his opinion of how active tanking was and is now. He's one of the pilots I know has soloed in these ships. You know! Without ganglinks before offgrid boosters. Even though he almost never flies with out a offgrid booster for the past year or 2. There are 2 other dudes I've flown with gallente in milltia of some note that are also p good and have flown active for years that will vouch for active tanking before asb's.

Anywho! More than one of these modules is overpowered. There's no doubt about it. I only use active tanked ships to deal with numbers. Whenever I've ever used it against a single pilot who is also active tanking. The lamest and most boring engagement in eve happens. I def don't engage ships i think have multiple asb's solo for the most part (unless nanoh0m0ing). I'll call in a number of pilots to gank them instead (n0 h0nuring like a B0$$) v0v


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I am well aware active tanking was useful in certain situations. I fly active armor a lot (with mixed succes, at best). The evelope in which active tanking is useful has now been expanded. That is a good thing, IMHO. That is all I am saying. ;)

EDIT: Which reminds me - I was moving a active/buffer bait Myrm between systems and caught a Naga at zero on a gate. He wouldnt agress me so I said screw it and went GCC, thinking he was buffer fit. Turns out, when Drones are your primary damage, going GCC under gate guns is not a good thing to do. It also turned out that he was ASB fit. I survived long enough to reach his reload on the ASB, but with half of my dps gone to the gate guns, I only got him into structure before he and the gate guns got me.

http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14237483

I am 99% sure would have won without the gate guns or with Exile. ASBs are powerful. They are not invincible.

What's that? People lose ships when they make major derps? News at ******* eleven. The truth of the matter is that it takes me ******* up by the numbers for me to lose a ship - even without gang bonuses and implants. And make no mistake, all of these kills have been without implants or gang bonuses.

What you're showing here is that no fit and no criteria will ever satisfy you. I could take an Executioner and solo dozens of ships that by all rights should have killed me. And you'd say that every single one of them was pilot error or a fail fit for whatever reason. But do you really believe me to be so much better at flying my ships than my enemy that the law of averages isn't going to catch up some time?

-Liang

Ed: Really, your commentary on the Thrasher is just priceless. It's a SHIELD FIT EXECUTIONER.

You are a bad mouth child, shut up and listen. Why are you quoting this guys killboard statistics just because he has a point?

You don't seem to understand this simple fact:

The Ancillary Shield Booster, is a DIRECT counter to the neutralizer. What do you not understand about that?

I fly ECM ships regularly, does that mean that I start complaining and throwing a childish hissy fit because some person fit ECCM?

First off, the Thrasher killmail as I said, was in your favor. Even in that fit, he should have put you into the ground.. but you don't mention how close it was, do you? Did you have plenty of cap charges left? Did you sit there or were you manuvering? Second, how are we to know what the pilot did if you don't tell us. Which you never did. That Vexor pilot is just beginning to get into PVP and likely doesn't have any serious skills there yet (game-wise or player-wise). The Thrasher pilot, on the other hand, is a little better. Yet, you don't make any distinction between the two. You don't say that you were primary tackler, or how long the battles lasted. Two of the biggest weaknesses to ASBs are their cycles and their longevity so that type of information is rather important. All your battle commentary on these kills were simple sentences and often didn't describe how the battle got joined. It's a completely different thing to say something like, "Well, he warped on me while I was stupidly stuck on a roid and he neuted, smartbombed, and used warrior IIs against me and I couldn't do anything but I could still easily tank his damage", it's something else to say that he made mistakes A, B, and C and should have done X, Y, and Z, and I ran out of caps.. but I survived."

And shields, ON ALL RACES, have relatively high explosive resists. So a shield fit executioner is an excellent setup and is brilliant with an ASB or MSE, against ships likely using Barrage. Your comment about law of averages also doesn't make a lot of sense because you HAVE died in this fit. You have killed a Thrasher and a Thrasher has killed you. None of the killmails I've seen jump out, on their own, as saying "this was ONLY possible because of my ASB Executioner". Your argument is kinda strange because you refuse to acknowledge that skill was an important factor. You are an 80mil SP character, who PVPs a lot, who knows ship configurations very well, and knows how the control the battlefield. You really think those aspects aren't in play in every one of your PVP match ups? Especially versus pilots who are clearly just starting to get into PVP?

As far as my opinion on ASBs? Have your arguments persuaded me that they are overpowered? No, not in single module configs. The fact that you have to use a cruiser class mod to get these overpowered results tends to work against you especially. Maybe it's too easy to fit a cruiser class mod.. but then you have to do that to MSEs and Armor Plates. However, Duals might be.. and most assuredly triple ASBs are. The arguments about how they are too powerful compared to the old shield boosters and the local armor reppers baffle me because THEY AREN'T COMMON IN PVP BECAUSE THEY SUCK! The fact that setups like a Triple Armor Rep Myrmidon and a Dual Rep Hurricane REQUIRE THAT MANY MODULES to even be on the low end of PVP viability should be the outrage, not the defense!

In fact, I think I may know of a way to test that might actually prove me wrong. Fly your ASB Executioner and compare its combat survivability against buffer shield tanked interceptors and AFs in 1 vs 1 combat. Both of those Tech 2 ships should easily outclass your Executioner. If they don't, then yes.. you would be correct that ASBs at the frigate level are overpowered.

Edit: Just make sure those T2 Frigates aren't failfits.

I get the feeling that ASBs were designed with standard cap charges in mind and that navy charges are screwing the balance up.

Just make them unable to use navy charges and 90% of the bullshit disappears.

I have seen a Medium ASB ARES in our killboard today. It took more than 3.000 damage points. I had never seen that in an Ares.

He only had to switch Hybrids for Autocannons, and the MEDIUM ASB fit just like that. No rigs and no lows devoted to solving any fitting issues.

The went too far with these modules and they need to be rebalanced.



A counter to small gangs that allows a single ship to tank a fleet of their own class. That allows armor tankers to tank more with two midslots, even if they waste their ship bonus, etc. This is not right at all.

The proof is that you see the damn things EVERYWHERE: from Interceptors to brawling frigates, from Battlecruisers with active armor tanking bonus to sniper Tier 3 BCs, and of course in Battleships.

These modules don't make active shield tanking "viable". The Maelstrom and the Cyclone were great ships BEFORE them. These modules make ASB tanking the BEST choice for ANY ship in most situations.

Congrats!