Player Features and Ideas Discussion

when commandships were first introduced they had no competition from tier2 bc or t3, they have not been re-balanced since bar a nerf to the eos. here i shall underline what i see as workable changes to the field commandship line as they are all (yes even the sleipnir) underpowerd.

i undersatnd a big problem is the op nature of tier 2 bc, but i think cs inherently need a boost regardless of what happens with tier 2bc, which is likely nothing.

generally eve online has moved away from older players being able to use there sp. the majority of fleets i see these days are drake hurricane based. this is i think mostly due too t2 not offering what it used too, especially heavy assault ships, but cs too need to be boosted to give older playesr more incentive to spend and loose more isk. more isk lost is something that really needs to happen in eve with the stagnent economy.

generally the ethos i take with cs is to extend the damage while keeping tank similar, as t3 would be a lower damage higher tank alternative. i think this makes for an intelligent differentiation between classes. i shall illustrate changes with fittings that should work based off current popular fits. none too crazy.




-also im not saying how you should fit your ships here-

lets not forget these ships are expensive

the nighthawk

for anyone that has ever flown the nighthawk, its main defficiancy is grid and actually i think the rest is ok.

+cpu -718- and grid -1146- +1 launcher


[Nighthawk, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Booster II
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5

715 dps, no change from current tank. slightly faster with no need for rcu. this still wouldnt quite fit without +1 implants or faction/named mods i think fitting should still be tight just not as rediculous as now.

the absolution


currently the absolution is somewhat underwhelming. its slow has poor dps and range, im still not sure about bonus's but i think its wothwhile left alone in that regard. it will still struggle with tackling due to medslots but damage output is increased. also base speed should be given a small boost to push it over 1.1kms , maneuverability is important with this class i think

+turret +grid+ cpu

[Absolution, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Warp Disruptor II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5

tank stays the same damage increased from 796 to 912 dps


Astarte

with the incoming blaster buff i resist temptation to eft it. but more base speed is defiantly needed and i think all active armor tanks should get a boost anyway. but thats for another thread.

i like the idea of the eos replacing the astarte as the field commandship however, as the astarte once looked at as a fleet cs doesnt seem so bad somehow. (although there is still the problem of info links)

anyhoo just for kicks

+ drone bay, reclassification

commandship bonus 10% to drone hitpoints and damge per level

[Eos, is it really so strange]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Ogre II x5

816 dps doesnt seem unreasonable, skill intensive too. which i like just like the rest of them.



and the sleipnir.
i like it. its the only truly ok cs. but for my isk id like it to go 100ms faster mwd on. that is all.

i think these fits are a proper step up from tier 2 bc, and would make them once again viable. so many of us love commandships its a shame not to see them used

I'm not sure what's going on here aside from you giving proposed new loadouts for each ship...

Field Command Ships do have a different role from T3's however.
you state:
"to extend the damage while keeping tank similar, as t3 would be a lower damage higher tank alternative"

First of all, making a statement like that is useless given the extensiveness to which you can configure a T3.

Second, most of the command ships already have a solid tank, in fact, more solid than their T3 counterparts (depending upon their subsystem configurations). This is made up for by generally having a much larger sig radius than a T3.

Third, what you should REALLY be looking at is the command ships' utility high for a ganglink module. Something which all your proposed changes would negate. By adding extra launchers/turret hardpoints they lose the ability to run a ganglink. So why not just run a T3?

While T3's do also have the ability to fit a ganglink (and have a better bonus for the link itself) to do so, they must make sacrifices.

The CCP ethos has generally been to allow a T3 to do it all, but not as well as the dedicated ship. And I believe this still holds true. If there is a ship which doesn't hold true, perhaps that would require some tweaking.

Example:
Nighthawk
6 launchers + ganglink
100k ehp

This is not a difficult fit to achieve

Tengu - command
5 launchers + ganglink (getting that 6th launcher means a whole mess of fitting modules are required)
75k ehp

This would be the standard fit I believe. And even then you're sacrificing rigs for extra tank instead of dps whereas the nighthawk does not. The Tengu has less dps and less ehp if you try to configure it like a field command ship.

As for the "buff the nighthawk" comment. Sure, I would love for my nighthawk to be better, but I think its 4th bonus, the missile explosion velocity bonus is highly underrated. It makes a significant difference in applied dps which is often overlooked. It allows it to apply more of its paper dps, which is understandably lower than a turret ship's paper dps. Missiles make up for that by always hitting. :P

Anyway, I know one guy who runs incursions with his tengu fit as such and personally I think it's fail and he should just get a nighthawk.

Field Commandships are kinda bigger hacs that don't have much point to them. Sure, they can fit gang links, but then again so can BC's and Carriers whilst t3's provide stronger bonuses. The HAC+ thing has also been massively superseded by T3's and I now I don't think field command ships they have much going for them beyond their cost.

What the OP has suggested isn't bad however, just needed to be clearer.



And as for Field commandships i'd recommend giving them the HIC treatment:
From: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=14433&find=unread

stealth edit wasn't fast enough >.<

It's a problem with the whole of active tanking lol.

Nerf Drake instead. But sure put an extra launcher point on night hawk agree.

t3 gang links > Command ship gang links


Needs to be fixed, IMO.

I wouldnt mind seeing teir 2 BCs nerfed a tad to make CSs better for their price