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Serious Newbie Question - Does Eve Really Want New Players?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2012-08-20 22:18:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I am... disappointed you didn't have some t1 weapons or nanos in the low.

Also, not a rifter. Such a pity.


Rifters are the next step upBlink
Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
#62 - 2012-08-20 23:27:49 UTC
To the OP:

You are right in the sense that Eve is unkind to those that get smacked in the face and want to do NOTHING about it. Eve is not about your in game skills, its about how you really problem solve on an individual and group basis. This game gives you nothing...you have to take everything.

Some people are not built that way.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#63 - 2012-08-20 23:51:54 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96b7Jk5xCTQ&feature=fvst

This video pretty much sums up the majority view towards newbies. Ignore the jerks and elitist bastards.

If you want to pvp, just fit up a cheap frig and have at it, you don't need a **** ton of SP (despite what people tell you)


I wanted to like this post a dozen times.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#64 - 2012-08-21 00:19:41 UTC
bring back 900,000 SP on startup.

FREAKIN MIRACLES MAN, IT DOES THEM
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-08-21 00:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
Eron Relentless wrote:
OP: Absolutely DO NOT EVER attempt to join Goonswarm or TEST Alliance. If you are not an active member of Somethingawful / Reddit or a very good friend of some of their members, you will be scammed - they will do their best to lure you into a trap to steal your money, destroy your ship and pod you. Make sure you set standings to these alliances and their allies (Executive outcomes, Fidelis Constans and others) to terrible (-10), so that you always easily spot them and stay away..

I wasn't even registered to somethingawful, reddit, nor had any 'good friends' in GSF/TEST before, but here I am and there you are..

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#66 - 2012-08-21 00:39:11 UTC
Albert Spear wrote:
So I have to ask, does Eve want newbies?

Is there a place for them in this game?

If so, where is it?
There are many places for them. Those places are not in corps run by clueless morons who inflate their numbers with hordes of brand new players and are incapable of protecting them.
Your CEO and directors are to blame here.
And you too if you feel obliged to stay with them.

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#67 - 2012-08-21 00:50:43 UTC
I've been playing for about two months now and have no complaints.

People are friendly. They sometimes shoot at me, but I tend to survive more than not now.

I hopped in a Retriever the other night and mined for a few hours. Not once did someone try to shoot at me. There were all of 7 people in Local. There are places all over high-sec with only a handful of people.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Betrinna Cantis
#68 - 2012-08-21 00:52:40 UTC
There are a set of skills in this game that you can't buy on the market. Those are the skills YOU brought to this game. Many in this forum are correct, the only way to learn is do. There are plenty of Corps that are very helpful and willing to teach the right person.
don't think you have to station tank 6 months to play. I was doing level 4 missions with people at 8 weeks, I know you can. Chat in local, You would be surprised how many helpful people are out there. Good luck.

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....

Makkz
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#69 - 2012-08-21 03:49:26 UTC
What a great thread, probably people from some of the largest alliances all giving the positives, and good encouragement.

If only that translated to something graspable to a new player without a clue.

Someone did already mention this, never be in a corp with the word miner in it, its like painting a target on yourself.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#70 - 2012-08-21 04:26:51 UTC
Makkz wrote:
Someone did already mention this, never be in a corp with the word miner in it, its like painting a target on yourself.

I can see it now, the nullsec corps "Miners4Lyfe", "Luv2Mine" and lastly "420MineErryday" form up to create the Miner's Explosion Service alliance...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Thomas Orca
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-08-21 04:33:40 UTC
How to avoid wardecs:

Train to fly this
Fit these
Watch as the War Dec'ers refuse to engage you because of your honorless tactics.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#72 - 2012-08-21 04:42:45 UTC
Thomas Orca wrote:
How to avoid wardecs:

Train to fly this
Fit these
Watch as the War Dec'ers refuse to engage you because of your honorless tactics.

Hand them out like crazy to your week old newbies, so you can be sure to have "blobber" attached to the end of that, so you'll be a "dishonoureable blobber".

Then you'll be in good company :)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-08-21 05:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Albert Spear wrote:
I am almost new to Eve, having opened my first account 8 weeks ago. Having played daily during that time. I have come to recognize that I have little or no chance to actively play for at least 6 more months.

.....
So I have to ask, does Eve want newbies?

Is there a place for them in this game?

If so, where is it?



I missed if anyone pointed out that the corp and alliance you are in are about the same age as you. For an industrial player in particular, this is a most difficult start. Even more experienced players often don't prepare for war.

One nice thing about learning PvP -- even defensively -- and aggression mechanics is that even while newish, I was rarely stationed camped, had insta-undocks and jump clones and pretty much went on about my merry way (with an eye on local) in-game. No, often, you can't mine in a regular belt, but there are other ways to make money.

I think Google will provide links covering these and other topics for individuals and corps looking to survive war decs.

Otherwise, If you join a corp such as Eve University (E-Uni), you'll not only have numbers and veteran players to benefit from, you'll have new players to connect with and options. You'll also be ahead of the game curve for new players in a relatively short time and be able to find fun while you learn practical skills.

The game, however, doesn't hold your hand or point the way. That part is up to you.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#74 - 2012-08-21 07:09:23 UTC
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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-08-21 08:07:45 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
Albert Spear wrote:
So I have to ask, does Eve want newbies?

Is there a place for them in this game?

If so, where is it?
There are many places for them. Those places are not in corps run by clueless morons who inflate their numbers with hordes of brand new players and are incapable of protecting them.
Your CEO and directors are to blame here.
And you too if you feel obliged to stay with them.


He's the CEO
Took a look to see if his corp is one of these nazi infested calamities, which would have explained all.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#76 - 2012-08-21 12:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Radius Prime
Nazi fanboy complaining about the unfair world. If this is not a troll I don't know anymore. For the OP, people like Albert Speer are NOT cool.

edit: Mentioning nationalistic socialism seems to get edited away but players are free to role play party leaders derivatives. Nice one CCP.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#77 - 2012-08-21 12:13:01 UTC
One odd practice in Eve Online is the uncanny insistance of new players to start their own corporations before they learn to fly a frigate properly and understand even the most basic nuances of the game.

oh!... Shocked ... well... there's yer problem.

It has nothing to do with people not wanting new players, it has everything to do with you trying to win the Olympic gold medal in cycling, but you haven't even got your training wheels off the kiddie bike.

I'm surprised you have lasted 8 weeks to be honest.

Here is some advice.

Create an alt, put your alt as the CEO , leave your corp with your main and start this game over with some more realistic ambitions.

Starting a corporation in this game (or any other aka guild) is just ridiculously naïve. Go out there, make some friends, some contacts. Find some people that are like minded and share some of your goals and learn to play the bloody game before you start with an ambition like running your own corp.

Not trying to smack talk you here, but you can't really expect anyone to take you seriously. You gotta learn to crawl before you learn to walk.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 

Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-08-21 12:57:36 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
If you want to pvp, just fit up a cheap frig and have at it, you don't need a **** ton of SP (despite what people tell you)



This cracks me up everytime someone writes this. The only players your going to have a fair fight against is other players with the same low SP you have. When someone says that they are setting you up to fail which will eventually lead to you quiting.


I love how hard EVE is for new players it weeds out the idiots and dumba$$s who dont deserve to play this great game. But Hey atleast you tried now give me your $hit.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-08-21 13:08:55 UTC
Anslo wrote:
But you're both assuming he WANTS to pvp. Not every damn player wants to.


Tough *******. EVE revolves around blowing up people's stuff.

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Sarton Wells
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-08-21 13:19:49 UTC
Albert Spear wrote:
That is why the question is a serious one? Where does Eve intend for new players to land, learn and grow? Or is it purely a world of PvP from now on?


From now on? When was eve advertised as something other than "dark, harsh universe where noone is save anywhere"? Heck, eve is more newbie friendly than ever. Perhaps it simply isn't the game you're looking for. But that doesn't mean we don't want new players. We just want players that would appreciate the game for what it is and not try to make it something completely different.