EVE General Discussion

Although it may seem as if many developers don’t visit the Features and Ideas forum it is well read by everyone from the Community Team all the way to Game designers and QA testers. The Community Team is not on EVE Development but we do pass them tons of ideas, comments, and feedback from the Features and Ideas forum all the time.

It can be difficult to talk in there is the reason you don’t see many blue bars. We don’t want to endorse or reject specific items or ideas in the forum as any “blue bar” post might hinder improving the idea by the community if you think we don’t like it, or worse make you think we love it then make you think we are lying to you if the idea is never implemented in any shape or form.

That doesn’t mean we won’t talk in there, just don’t expect it to happen all the time. There are a ton of good ideas, and ideas that need some work, in the Features and Ideas forum and if you browse the archived forum you will see several ideas there that have made it into the game in some shape or fashion.

So keep coming up with new ideas, talk about ways to improve current features, and help other players develop their ideas.

Although I do understand some what.
Any idea is subject to change and like all ideas, there is the vision and then there is reality.

Any and or all ideas on these forums will always be incomplete as it never addresses the programming issue, which I am willing to bet kills more ideas then it lets through.

The players could up with a grand scheme that even the DEv's love but it never sees the light of day because the work to involved and/or do to technical issues it just isn't going to happen.
SO asking the players to refine such an idea without feedback, well can become a pointless endeavor.

I do find it interesting that you are forced to pass on information to the development team.
Which leads me to conclude (maybe the wrong conclusion but there it is) that you are already filtering what the development team sees as they don't read that section of the forums.

or in short perhaps a little guidance now again might put the players on a usable track to an idea that could be implemented.

Free for all's are not always productive.

I think there needs to be a change to CCP policy here. The development team should be looking at F&I directly, not be fed filtered information. What a Dev might consider a great idea, one that solves a problem they have been struggling with, might not ever get to them because the community team did not realize a particular F&I post would be just whats needed. Or worse, the filtering process filters out some small detail of an idea that just happens to be whats needed.

In addition we need feedback. Improving Eve should be a collaboration between the developers and the players. Collaboration cannot happen without two way communication.

We only filter by request.

Let me explain, one of the things we do as Community Team is look for targeted feedback on X feature or Y idea. For example if CCP MagicalPony says, "Hmm what do players think about adding marshmallows to PI production?" We will research what people think about marshmallows, for and against, and send them with targeted information on that subject. This way they can spend time working on their current workload while we search the forums for them.

Every idea is valid and regardless of our personal opinion it would be unprofessional to "filter them out."

I hope that answers your question!

F&ID is where threads go to die.

thanks for the reply Zym

That's my alt.

The community does alot to filter and refine ideas.

We try to remind the idea suggesters:

This is Eve, there are Eve like things and natures to consider, for example limiting an allaince to only 1 of that ship is just not eve at all or suddenly going to a place with magical rainbow ponies and swords and magic.

There have been developer replies in the past that until they redact it with another post are pertty much the lines not to be crossed. IE renaming characters has been stated twice now as a service never to be rendered as pilot have ot build up identity, however remaking a character's apperance isnt off the list.

That just because its cool to you or your play style opinon doesnt make it cool for everyone else. IE forcing carebares into low sec in favor of pvpers has and will never work. The lvl 4 low sec experiment is proof of this.

We also try to remind players that just becuase the idea is cool there are hardlined things in both computer performance and software limitations as well as arbitiary limits developers impose on the game itself.

IE 30 guns on ships would never be considered as the game really only allows 4x8 slots at the moment.

Finally there are ideas that pop up that lacks the 'critical thinking' and really needed it alot more usually we're linient on these and provide the critical thinking parts but sometimes the OP gets stuck in thier ways and disregards the other considerations and concerns.

However there are ideas that pop up and its like? Why isnt this in yet? and we try to promote it and all and try to get it sent over to CSM's eyes then.

Most recent example Loot logging for mining yields.

Then finally the last of the bad idea rules
1 Can a 'goonswarm' allaince abuse this? if yes, rework it.
2 Will this feature/idea stomp an exting welcomed feature out of existence in terms of usability? A Tech 1 frigate that outperforms an assualt frigate on every aspect possible is a bad idea.
3. if you use price and time/skill as 'balance' its already a bad idea.

And the number of ideas that need alot of work pop up just as fast as threadnaughts spawning daugther threads in general discussion so its alot of work for the community to represent all play styles and weigh in on the issues brough up in FnI.

Thanks for the clarification.
Sadly based on the filtering process you described, there is little reason to post new ideas

In short unless someone at CCP decides something is a problem and needs to be looked at, ideas for changes from that particular item will sit and rot.

WHich leads to the question how CCP even decides if something needs to be changed ?
Do you wait until something turn into a 50 page scream thread ?
Or are the only ears you hear are from CSM.

Either way I am clearly missing something here.

Has many people in this forum: too serious