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Planetology only helps to locate hot spots... or does it?
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Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#1 - 2012-08-20 16:02:03 UTC
I used to think that planetology is only useful for finding hotspots but apparently, it also shows a much better resolution of the planet itself and allows more resources to be produced from... nothing?

A picture speaks more than a 1000 words. The first one is on an alt that has 0 planetology and the second is from my main, who has 4/3 plantelogy.

No Planetology

High Planetology

Also, odd enough. If i place some extractor heads on the main with high skills on the hotspot, i get 150-180 per head but when i place the heads in the exact same spot on an alt with 0 planetology, it only shows up as 50-60 per head after installing the program.

And to make it even more weird, then the current cycle output shows a 35k output in the first hour but the link usage is 70k on the alt. Makes sense that the output is the real output but the visual cues given by eve are massively misleading if you have no planetology skills.



Sooo... skilling up plantelogy may increase your "visual" output when setting up the extractors and provide a much more accurate overview of the resources extracted. Taking just the numbers that eve provides, it would say that it is impossible to make say, Mini electronics on that planet but in reality, it can easily sustain 3 p2 factories running with a 4 day cycle.
Reticle
Sight Picture
#2 - 2012-08-20 16:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Reticle
Denal Umbra wrote:
interesting stuff

I've seent he weirdness with volumes extracted. The numbers never seem to matach up.

I think the deal with different planetology levels is so that people can't skill up 1 character to do the scanning and then 50 low skill alts come in and extract in the same spots.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-20 17:51:39 UTC
Denal Umbra wrote:
I used to think that planetology is only useful for finding hotspots but apparently, it also shows a much better resolution of the planet itself and allows more resources to be produced from... nothing?

A picture speaks more than a 1000 words. The first one is on an alt that has 0 planetology and the second is from my main, who has 4/3 plantelogy.

No Planetology

High Planetology

Also, odd enough. If i place some extractor heads on the main with high skills on the hotspot, i get 150-180 per head but when i place the heads in the exact same spot on an alt with 0 planetology, it only shows up as 50-60 per head after installing the program.

And to make it even more weird, then the current cycle output shows a 35k output in the first hour but the link usage is 70k on the alt. Makes sense that the output is the real output but the visual cues given by eve are massively misleading if you have no planetology skills.



Sooo... skilling up plantelogy may increase your "visual" output when setting up the extractors and provide a much more accurate overview of the resources extracted. Taking just the numbers that eve provides, it would say that it is impossible to make say, Mini electronics on that planet but in reality, it can easily sustain 3 p2 factories running with a 4 day cycle.


Planetology doesn't directly increase the extraction amounts but it does give more accurate results where materials are located on the planet (higher planetlogy will show brighter whites, reds, etc as well as more accurate scans). Basically the higher your planetlogy skill is the less deviation there will be with the scan information.

Basically think of planetlogy and advanced planetology as skills that increase your scan data and make them more accurate.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#4 - 2012-08-20 20:19:52 UTC
I also think that when you place extractor heads the amount shown on what will be extracted is based on your planetology skill. But once you actually hit install, the amount shown in based on what is actually on the planet. If you had perfect scan skill (Im do not know if 5 on both planetology skills would give you that) both extraction amounts would be the same.

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-08-20 22:20:49 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I also think that when you place extractor heads the amount shown on what will be extracted is based on your planetology skill. But once you actually hit install, the amount shown in based on what is actually on the planet. If you had perfect scan skill (Im do not know if 5 on both planetology skills would give you that) both extraction amounts would be the same.


My characters with Planetology 4 and advance planetology 4 give far more accurate 24 cycle totals then my characters with just planetology 3.

Again, the higher the planetology skills are the less deviation there is with tempatures displayed as well as more accurate data, so I guess it would make sense the skills would make your cycle yields / total cycle run yield more accurate as well.
Enderr Wiggin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-08-21 00:21:11 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Denal Umbra wrote:
I used to think that planetology is only useful for finding hotspots but apparently, it also shows a much better resolution of the planet itself and allows more resources to be produced from... nothing?

A picture speaks more than a 1000 words. The first one is on an alt that has 0 planetology and the second is from my main, who has 4/3 plantelogy.

No Planetology

High Planetology

Also, odd enough. If i place some extractor heads on the main with high skills on the hotspot, i get 150-180 per head but when i place the heads in the exact same spot on an alt with 0 planetology, it only shows up as 50-60 per head after installing the program.

And to make it even more weird, then the current cycle output shows a 35k output in the first hour but the link usage is 70k on the alt. Makes sense that the output is the real output but the visual cues given by eve are massively misleading if you have no planetology skills.



Sooo... skilling up plantelogy may increase your "visual" output when setting up the extractors and provide a much more accurate overview of the resources extracted. Taking just the numbers that eve provides, it would say that it is impossible to make say, Mini electronics on that planet but in reality, it can easily sustain 3 p2 factories running with a 4 day cycle.


Planetology doesn't directly increase the extraction amounts but it does give more accurate results where materials are located on the planet (higher planetlogy will show brighter whites, reds, etc as well as more accurate scans). Basically the higher your planetlogy skill is the less deviation there will be with the scan information.

Basically think of planetlogy and advanced planetology as skills that increase your scan data and make them more accurate.


I concur with Styth in her analysys... Planetology does increase scan resolution to find the most optimal area to place extractor heads but nothing for increasing quantities..

On a side note, the images you linked are not the same planet, with one being in hisec and one in a wh... the amounts you can get from them are drastically different... not to mention that hot spots vary on every single planet

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Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
#7 - 2012-08-21 11:43:32 UTC
Enderr Wiggin wrote:
On a side note, the images you linked are not the same planet, with one being in hisec and one in a wh... the amounts you can get from them are drastically different... not to mention that hot spots vary on every single planet


Check the pictures again, his character is in different systems though he is viewing same planet.
Ginger Barbarella
#8 - 2012-08-21 16:18:45 UTC
As a side note, I would like to see CCP release some REAL metrics on what the skills do. "Increases scan resolution" means nothing to me; telling me that each level grants an -x-% better chance of hitting a good field tells me a lot. I think a lot of this comes down to CCP selling skills that mean nothing practically, but they require to make the thing work. We're not talking proficiency levels here; any scrub has just as much chance as an experienced miner at hitting a rich vein IRL, but we're told that some black magic around these five skills means BETTER producing sites, or a better skill means the white blob is better CENTERED than a L3 skill?

Dunno; I just play CCPs game and train each to L4; without any quantifiable metrics it's all just a shot in the dark, really.

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Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#9 - 2012-08-22 07:34:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Denal Umbra
Enderr Wiggin wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
[quote=Denal Umbra]
A picture speaks more than a 1000 words. The first one is on an alt that has 0 planetology and the second is from my main, who has 4/3 plantelogy.

No Planetology

High Planetology


I concur with Styth in her analysys... Planetology does increase scan resolution to find the most optimal area to place extractor heads but nothing for increasing quantities..

On a side note, the images you linked are not the same planet, with one being in hisec and one in a wh... the amounts you can get from them are drastically different... not to mention that hot spots vary on every single planet


No, they are the exact same planet. Check out the planet name if you do not believe me.

Hence, why i thought it was quite odd... The same planet shows up with massively different amounts of minerals. With 0 skills the planet was a compete write off and the corp mates said to never bother with it but when i decided to check it out on the main then the planet was actually on par with the other planets in the system.
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#10 - 2012-08-22 07:43:47 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I also think that when you place extractor heads the amount shown on what will be extracted is based on your planetology skill. But once you actually hit install, the amount shown in based on what is actually on the planet. If you had perfect scan skill (Im do not know if 5 on both planetology skills would give you that) both extraction amounts would be the same.


I used to think that also but when i dropped down the alts extractors then the volume extracted was more than double than it really was, after hitting submit. The planet has been running for a week with the same cycle timers as my main and the p2 production has not stopped/stumbled. Hell, theres an abundance of Felsic Magma if anything even though the extractor head is saying the output is ~30-40% of what is needed to maintain the production.

Due to this discovery i have started considering leveling up the alts with planetology and checking out what 5/5 might bring to the picture. Tho, theres better things to do with a few months of training...