Ships & Modules

offline from game, but think scorpion gets bonuses to it

Of course i might be wrong, but i'd say the counter to a Falcon is a Sensor Dampener. Boosting up a Logi with a dedicated ECCM ship will cause the falcon to
- Jam the dedicated ECCM ship
- Jam the Logi

You would need a flock of these ships, and then you are basically 'wasting' pilots. They won't fly dps or something else, where you could still fit remote ECCM into a utility midslot.

The difference between ECCM and Dampening:

Damp the Falcon, and it wont jam anyone.
ECCM the jamed ship, and the falcon will switch targets.

Sensor damp buff!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Give the new ship a naturally high sensor strength in exchange for weapons, or something similar. So many ways to balance it, it's not really a big deal.

Then it becomes a question of whether people want to use a pilot for it, just like any other situation. They might have falcons, so we have to use pilots to bring our own falcons. Or sensor damps. Or more logi's. Or whatever. More options are always a good thing.

the thing is, if that ship being jammed is one that can nuke the falcon in the first place. then the falcon switching to a different ship will result in a very dead falcon and no one at all getting jammed.

as a few others have said, it takes a fairly high SP character to be able to sensor damp a falcon out of the fight and worse yet, the ships that can do this will, in any meaningfully sized engagement get primaried and explode before their job is complete, where as if there was a better option for projected ECCM it would provide all roles (including the falcon) a way to continue doing their job to some extent.

just as a general idea, following maeltstome's mention of making a "tankier class of ship" capable of doing this, perhaps also add to the ship a passive that ignores the stacking penalty of the ECCM module itself (or gives a buff to the stat bonus of the ECCM module and the stacking penalty remains). perhaps give it a layout something like:

2 token high slots
5 mid slots
5 (or 6) low slots.
as a cruiser or battlecruiser hull. and make it an armor tank

alternately for a shield tank variant:
2 token high slots
7 mids
3 lows and still a cruiser or battlecruiser hull


thoughts? the general idea would be that it is completely a support ship. it would lack the ability to effectively kill even a frigate on its own, yet as part of a fleet, it would have enough survivability to not be instantly dead upon loading grid and adequately support its fleet until such time as it is killed

I just realized we all keep talking of our falcon rage, but missed one other aspect of ECM that isn't countered by sensor dampening.... ecm drones! (yar???) these are typically delt with by smart bomb battleships or frigs on the field with a specific job of killing drones

but once again, to cover all your bases requires so many different ship types added to the mix when there is a perfectly good, under utilized, and totally unsupported module available in the game that helps some-what cover these bases in a pinch.


back in the day of AHAC gangs roaming eve non-stop their trick was everyone of the AHAC's fit a phased meuon ECCM caster to their ship and was assigned a guardian to project it at to keep their guardian core able to lock through the fight, this wasn't a horrible idea and even works quite well in bulk. but in smaller numbers it was a futile endeavor.

now just think about the possibility of bringing this concept to smaller scale fights where ECM in general is utilized so much more. it may not be the most ideal solution in the massive null war's, but it does help the small skirmishes on the frontier of empire wars, low sec skirmishes, and small roaming null sec gangs (sub 15-20 strong). it is in these fights that ECM generates its biggest impact. not in the massive blob warfare of null.

eccm already doubles , welll 120% boost to the original sensor trength , a ship with dedicated bonus would be too powerful - probably 100 + strength to a vargur with 2 modules :), we don't want that do we .