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POCOs, are they being used?
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Scott PiIgrim
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-08-20 13:17:51 UTC
I love POCO's :D there making some nice isk on the side!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2012-08-20 13:23:14 UTC
This is why there shouldn't be hisec players in the CSM.

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pussnheels
Viziam
#23 - 2012-08-20 13:24:30 UTC
Geoscape wrote:
I'm curious as to how much isk lowsec corps make from poco taxes on neutrals.
If anyone could let me know i would appreciate it.

interesting question i like to know aswell

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-08-20 13:25:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Suddenly Forums ForumKings
We really should get some POCOs in hi sec. Go on youtube and search for

"eve pvp poco"

and you can find some pretty good sized (for lo sec) fleet battles over ownership of POCO(s).

This one has 2 battleship fleets slugging it out for 18 minutes with carriers on field. In lo sec. Over a PI good.

This is what EVE is about, industrial warfare. This is what hi sec desperately needs.

EDIT: And lets look at CCP's taranis trailer!

So with POCOs PI finally does what it says on the tin.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#25 - 2012-08-20 13:28:27 UTC
What's a POCO?
My wife plays POGO.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-08-20 13:50:50 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
We really should get some POCOs in hi sec. Go on youtube and search for

"eve pvp poco"

and you can find some pretty good sized (for lo sec) fleet battles over ownership of POCO(s).

This one has 2 battleship fleets slugging it out for 18 minutes with carriers on field. In lo sec. Over a PI good.

This is what EVE is about, industrial warfare. This is what hi sec desperately needs.

EDIT: And lets look at CCP's taranis trailer!

So with POCOs PI finally does what it says on the tin.


yeah lets force more pvp on the causal hi sec playetrs who just want to BE LEFT ALONE YOU GRIEFERS.

im a pubby and im proud
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-08-20 14:09:30 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
POCOs (Player Owned Custom Offices) where introduced with Crucible, but i haven't heard much on them since. Yesterday i asked a bit around and nobody was aware of their existence, which has left me puzzled. Ugh

Are POCOs being used? Do they play any relevant role?



I can tell by this post, you don't leave high sec.


Go to lowsec, or nullsec and TRY to find a NPC PoCo. probably 80%+ of the PoCo's in LS/nullsec have been claimed.

FC, what do?
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#28 - 2012-08-20 14:12:50 UTC
Anyone who does any PI in low/null/WH space uses a POCO... paying 17% with the Interbus stations is flat out unprofitable.

High sec PI players have no choice but to use the 10% concord stations.

What % of the PI market is done in high vs low/null/wh? I couldn't tell you. However, as the CEO of a low sec corp with PI holdings, I can tell you they are quite handy and certainly are seeing use both from within my corp and from neutrals who live in the area.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-08-20 14:14:33 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Anyone who does any PI in low/null/WH space uses a POCO... paying 17% with the Interbus stations is flat out unprofitable.

High sec PI players have no choice but to use the 10% concord stations.

What % of the PI market is done in high vs low/null/wh? I couldn't tell you. However, as the CEO of a low sec corp with PI holdings, I can tell you they are quite handy and certainly are seeing use both from within my corp and from neutrals who live in the area.


sure 10% or 17% is bad but its the prive you pay for not having to deal with lo sec grieftards.

ccp has made a griefing game and the poco is just another way of martking griefers able to win.

i will never do pi outside of hi sec even if its free

im a pubby and im proud
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#30 - 2012-08-20 14:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinstar Colton
Geoscape wrote:
I'm curious as to how much isk lowsec corps make from poco taxes on neutrals.
If anyone could let me know i would appreciate it.


We charge 8% for neutrals, and 6% for blues. I won't give any details as to raw ISK income from this, but I can tell you that we have neutrals and blues who use our POCOs on a fairly reliable basis.

Torvin Yulus wrote:


sure 10% or 17% is bad but its the prive you pay for not having to deal with lo sec grieftards.

ccp has made a griefing game and the poco is just another way of martking griefers able to win.

i will never do pi outside of hi sec even if its free


Low sec PI is not bad in terms of danger. A T1 hauler is cheap enough to be able to lose without killing your wallet. A few STABs and a tank make it escape many gate camps or random pirates. You lose more isk to CONCORD taxes than you do ships/cargo to gankers in low if you can get yourself a sub 10% tax POCO, especially if you do factory planets.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

pussnheels
Viziam
#31 - 2012-08-20 14:26:34 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Anyone who does any PI in low/null/WH space uses a POCO... paying 17% with the Interbus stations is flat out unprofitable.

High sec PI players have no choice but to use the 10% concord stations.

What % of the PI market is done in high vs low/null/wh? I couldn't tell you. However, as the CEO of a low sec corp with PI holdings, I can tell you they are quite handy and certainly are seeing use both from within my corp and from neutrals who live in the area.


sure 10% or 17% is bad but its the prive you pay for not having to deal with lo sec grieftards.

ccp has made a griefing game and the poco is just another way of martking griefers able to win.

i will never do pi outside of hi sec even if its free

that is your loss, i m making a much better profit on pi with using lowsec planets than hi sec , and the risk , sure there is always is , but those lo sec corps know that shooting their own customers can be counter productive, well atleast in the part of the universe my indy character hangs out

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-08-20 14:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Urgg Boolean
Yes - I use them for PI in low sec. I think about their usefulness every time I have to pay high sec taxes on a low sec POCO.

In all honesty, a small corp took over the POCOs I use in a triangle of systems. Since that time, there has never been any PvP or change of ownership that I have seen. No change in pod kills per day, reds in local all the same. Looks static to me.

Having said that, I am told that POCOs are a large source of PvP activity. I guess I am just unlucky enough not to see any of it in my neighborhood. I mean, I'd like some new owners. Maybe they would negotiate for a tax rate better than what I can get in high sec...

Cheers to POCOs and the PvP they generate ... even though I haven't seen any yet...
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-08-20 14:35:56 UTC
pussnheels wrote:

On the other hand i still believe their introductuin was not needed , a waste of dev time and energy and only complicate matters


I have to respectfully disagree. Anything that places the content of the game into the hands of the players is welcome in my opinion.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-08-20 14:38:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Yes - I use them for PI in low sec. I think about their usefulness every time I have to pay high sec taxes on a low sec POCO.

In all honesty, a small corp took over the POCOs I use in a triangle of systems. Since that time, there has never been any PvP or change of ownership that I have seen. No change in pod kills per day, reds in local all the same. Looks static to me.

Having said that, I am told that POCOs are a large source of PvP activity. I guess I am just unlucky enough to see any of it in my neighborhood. I mean, I'd like some new owners. Maybe they would negotiate for a tax rate better than what I can get in high sec...

Cheers to POCOs and the PvP they generate ... even though I haven't seen any yet...



That's unfortunate.

I'm gonna quote my earlier post, now you can say you've seen POCO pvpCool


Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
We really should get some POCOs in hi sec. Go on youtube and search for

"eve pvp poco"

and you can find some pretty good sized (for lo sec) fleet battles over ownership of POCO(s).

This one has 2 battleship fleets slugging it out for 18 minutes with carriers on field. In lo sec. Over a PI good.

This is what EVE is about, industrial warfare. This is what hi sec desperately needs.

EDIT: And lets look at CCP's taranis trailer!

So with POCOs PI finally does what it says on the tin.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#35 - 2012-08-20 15:10:33 UTC
As PI prices increase, POCO related PVP will probably increase as ownership of said POCOs becomes more valued.

PI was, before the 1.2 patch, in a slump and thus PI wasn't really important enough to fight over. With the ice and tech bottlenecks largely removed, fuel block and T2 production will be increasing (and thus demand for PI goods). With cheap fuel, more towers are being built, thus increasing the demand for P4 goods.


Dust, when it hits TQ, will be another PI game changer.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

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