EVE General Discussion

Any TESTie who whines about AFK cloakers is just asking to be trolled to no end by the rest of the alliance. I personally have never had a problem with AFK cloakers, if someone is parked in a ratting system I just find a different system to rat in until they leave.

Also anyone who rats in 6VDT or 7BX is just asking to get ganked.

Thanks to having a large npc pocket fountain is well infested with pirates looking for ratters to gank, yet you never see TEST whining about afk cloakers (even though on any given day several of our ratting systems will have afk cloakers in them).

Virtually all of the afk cloaker whine seems to come from lolrenters.

Dude, you're either new there or you don't rat. Testies were the biggest whiners about AFK cloakies I ever heard or saw. So often I heard

"ffs, can someone come kill this fn cloaky, he's been here 2 weeks!!"
" let's form a fleet and get this cloaky, he's pissing me off"

yadda ya....

As always reply was. You can't. Which is the point of this topic.

Ive been in TEST for 4 months, what few afk cloaker whiners I have seen get trolled horribly and other than 7BX (which is a stupid system to rat in anyway since the hostiles in 6VDT 23/7 are usually NOT afk) ive never seen an afk cloaker sit in a system more than 1-2 days. We even have some stupid afk cloakers that sit in non-ratting systems lol.

Even better, leave cloaking exactly as it is, and plant AFK cloakies in every single system with a sanctum. All in cyno ships.

Dey took our jorbs!

Jesus, these people would never make it in a wormhole.

Problem isn't cloaking it's hulk costing you 200mils a pop with less defence then your average T1 frigate.
If that thing could survive even a BS rat there would be a lot less whining on the issue and removing local solves nothing.
It works in WH because you cannot hot drop and you have to actually find your targets first unlike in 0.0 where you immediately can find a good system by just looking at the sov index and call in a drop.

Please for the love of GOD no more I can't take it anymore, put a proposal in CSM forums and I'll even sign it for you if it will stop your posting on this subject!

There's more to life than null. You nerf cloaking you severely nerf wormholes. Being able to be undetectable while cloaked is critical to wormhole operations. Anything that violates the integrity of the cloaking device has severe repercussions to areas outside your little fluffy null space garden.

Your plan has a tremendously negative impact on all cloaking, be it active or inactive. ANYTHING that prevents the ability to cloak as long as wanted or needed is a nerf to the entire wormhole culture. You completely disrupt the ability to covertly gather intel on an enemy system in order to plan for an operation. Secrecy is required, and the most successful (and profitable) ops come when intel gathering pilot is simply never seen... the first clue the enemy has that something is happening is when they log on and see the "Oh ****!" emails the pos sent to them. Like I mentioned before, you may need to be cloaked and unmoving for hours a day for days on end to gather accurate intel, and I've seen someone amazingly dedicated enough to do exactly that.

So, by popular request, I'll repost my solution to the non-issue... a solution that actually improves (in my opinion) upon the current system and makes life a little more interesting.

1. When a ship cloaks it is removed from local. No one in the system can see that the pilot is in system.

2. When a ship cloaks it also loses the ability to use local. You can't see who's in local, you can't use local for intel gathering. Covops vessels, for example, would have to actively engage in the intel gathering process, much like in wormholes. You have options already to do this... using DScan, using probes, flying to various locations and simply watching.

So that this point here, we have a cloaked ship in a system that's truly cloaked. He's hidden from the system and the system, outside of his own actions, is hidden from him. He's actively gathering intel, or he's cloaked afk somewhere affecting noone, it doesn't matter. The local denizens have no idea if he's even there. However, to balance the "hot drop" issue, we include:

3. When a ship decloaks, there's a delay in being able to activate a cyno. Call it 15, 30 seconds, whatever. Give ships a fighting chance to escape from the invisible cloaker they never knew was there. Possible exception... Black Ops ships could be allowed no delay in lighting the cyno. Gives them a bigger role in the game, no?

But there you go, a solid framework that would not only end the whole "afk cloaker" faux-controversy but turn intel gathering into a more active endeavour and act a bit of tactical usage to cloaks.