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Frying Doom
#1 - 2012-08-18 03:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Normally I would post this in Jita Park but given how dead that is ( and would like feedback not limited to 3 people)and the fact that the CSM has migrated its business into GD I thought I would dump this idea here.

Yes I am expecting the usual power blocks to Disagree with this.

I believe that the CSM needs to be more visible to the players as a whole, not just to those of us loud mouths who use the forum. So what I am suggesting is


  1. A login picture all year round depicting the CSM and a small blurb added into the rotating posters.
  2. Separate Billboards for remembering to vote for the CSM or as Just happened a "CSM minutes released" image
  3. Events like the Town Hall meeting shown on the launcher.
  4. A better login text than they had last year at voting time, actually telling people what the CSM is.
  5. A blurb or some introductory text included in the NPE


And if they still don't vote, well at least they will be informed about not voting. As a quick side note I feel the account age for voting is irrelevant, you should have to be subscribed for 3 months continuously prior to the election to be eligible to Vote, this would cut down on the number of old accounts re-activated just to vote and screw up the poll numbers.

Just remember "Not Voting is really Voting to Shut the Hell Up afterwards"

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-18 03:44:13 UTC
The only time people care is when they get to vote, and that is because everyone likes being asked their opinion on something.

Besides releasing the minutes of their meeting in Iceland, what has this CSM done? Can you name 2 things they have put forth or accomplished?

Point made.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Frying Doom
#3 - 2012-08-18 03:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
The only time people care is when they get to vote, and that is because everyone likes being asked their opinion on something.

Besides releasing the minutes of their meeting in Iceland, what has this CSM done? Can you name 2 things they have put forth or accomplished?

Point made.

Well yes I could but apparently you cannot, which is really the root of the problem. Players not knowing what is going on without actively looking.

To answer your original 2. the last Town meeting and a fair few radio shows and the town meeting in 14 hours if you want to include that.

Edit: I almost forgot the blobs, twitters ect...

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#4 - 2012-08-18 03:52:10 UTC
You think trebor should bring back spam mail, to keep everyone up to date?

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Frying Doom
#5 - 2012-08-18 03:56:02 UTC
rodyas wrote:
You think trebor should bring back spam mail, to keep everyone up to date?

No I don't believe I mentioned spam mail at all.

But now you mention it a simple CMS website would be nice. Updated weekly would only take an hour to say what they have been doing.

It would give a better indicator of the lvl of activity of individual members as well as informing people who are too lazy to look at a pile of news sites, the forums, ect....

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-08-18 03:57:21 UTC
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#7 - 2012-08-18 04:03:56 UTC
First, it's "visibility".

Second:
Frying Doom wrote:
As a quick side note I feel the account age for voting is irrelevant, you should have to be subscribed for 3 months continuously prior to the election to be eligible to Vote, this would cut down on the number of old accounts re-activated just to vote and screw up the poll numbers.

Agenda detected. You plan on disenfranchising another woman this year?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Frying Doom
#8 - 2012-08-18 04:09:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Karl Hobb wrote:
First, it's "visibility".

Second:
Frying Doom wrote:
As a quick side note I feel the account age for voting is irrelevant, you should have to be subscribed for 3 months continuously prior to the election to be eligible to Vote, this would cut down on the number of old accounts re-activated just to vote and screw up the poll numbers.

Agenda detected. You plan on disenfranchising another woman this year?

No this year I thought I would just try to back the CSM as a concept. You know try to see changes where 80% Vote, rather than 80% don't. So yes the agenda is to aggitate for a cleaner election.

And hell next year will just be another null sec CSM anyway.

But it never hurts to try and fix something broken


Edit: Oh and read the sig...

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#9 - 2012-08-18 04:17:14 UTC
The Mittani served as a link between players and the CSM, as its most visible and polarizing member. When he stepped down, no one stepped up to fill those shoes - few really can, to be honest. The CSM seems weak and distant mostly because of his resignation.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#10 - 2012-08-18 04:18:24 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
But it never hurts to try and fix something broken

What's broken?

If you think more "visability" for the CSM is going to get more people out of some "apathetic stupor", well, the United States should be example enough. If you, for some reason, think that a bunch of high-sec candidates are going to get the most votes if more people "wake up", well, I would question your intelligence.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#11 - 2012-08-18 04:19:27 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
The Mittani served as a link between players and the CSM, as its most visible and polarizing member. When he stepped down, no one stepped up to fill those shoes - few really can, to be honest. The CSM seems weak and distant mostly because of his resignation.

This too, OP.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Frying Doom
#12 - 2012-08-18 04:22:58 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
The Mittani served as a link between players and the CSM, as its most visible and polarizing member. When he stepped down, no one stepped up to fill those shoes - few really can, to be honest. The CSM seems weak and distant mostly because of his resignation.

He only resigned for CSM 6

But anyway personally It is not the players who already know about the CSM and already vote that I would like reached but those that do not. No CSM has ever put into action a plan to reach the masses, this is the thing that needs to change.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#13 - 2012-08-18 04:25:08 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
But it never hurts to try and fix something broken

What's broken?

If you think more "visability" for the CSM is going to get more people out of some "apathetic stupor", well, the United States should be example enough. If you, for some reason, think that a bunch of high-sec candidates are going to get the most votes if more people "wake up", well, I would question your intelligence.

What I would like to see is more people aware of what the CSM is and that it actually exists.

And once again I did not mention "a bunch of high-sec candidates", just the whole population of EvE.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#14 - 2012-08-18 04:27:59 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
The Mittani served as a link between players and the CSM, as its most visible and polarizing member. When he stepped down, no one stepped up to fill those shoes - few really can, to be honest. The CSM seems weak and distant mostly because of his resignation.

This too, OP.

Yes and the Null sec and War focus helped the game so much, look at what happened to the population figures after a simple mining barge re-balance.

This is why we need the whole population involved so that at the end of the day there candidates decide that Null and War should be the focus of the game we can hear from the whole populous not just diminishing server populations.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#15 - 2012-08-18 04:29:51 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
rodyas wrote:
You think trebor should bring back spam mail, to keep everyone up to date?

No I don't believe I mentioned spam mail at all.

But now you mention it a simple CMS website would be nice. Updated weekly would only take an hour to say what they have been doing.

It would give a better indicator of the lvl of activity of individual members as well as informing people who are too lazy to look at a pile of news sites, the forums, ect....


You could make one, and just follow their twitter feeds, and other posts they make. Or catch them on podcasts. Then make articles about how Trebor should bring back spam mails, to raise visibility. Damn the critics.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#16 - 2012-08-18 04:31:23 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
What I would like to see is more people aware of what the CSM is and that it actually exists.

I think far more people than you think already do know about the CSM. Those that don't vote probably either think of it as a joke or realize exactly what it is to CCP, a "sounding board". In those regards, what does it matter if you vote so long as the CSM understands the general spirit of the game and understands the intricacies of the rules well enough to alert CCP to any issues.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Frying Doom
#17 - 2012-08-18 04:32:54 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
rodyas wrote:
You think trebor should bring back spam mail, to keep everyone up to date?

No I don't believe I mentioned spam mail at all.

But now you mention it a simple CMS website would be nice. Updated weekly would only take an hour to say what they have been doing.

It would give a better indicator of the lvl of activity of individual members as well as informing people who are too lazy to look at a pile of news sites, the forums, ect....


You could make one, and just follow their twitter feeds, and other posts they make. Or catch them on podcasts. Then make articles about how Trebor should bring back spam mails, to raise visibility. Damn the critics.

I was saying CCP should set one up after all with a CMS it would not take more than a day.

You don't think if I set one up it might be a bit bias?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#18 - 2012-08-18 04:37:53 UTC
Sadly no go dude, CCP is on a binge of celebrating player's creativity and projects they do. They won't ruin it with setting up their own CSM website.

Who cares about bias. Just get someone who plays WoW to edit for you.

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Frying Doom
#19 - 2012-08-18 04:38:35 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
What I would like to see is more people aware of what the CSM is and that it actually exists.

I think far more people than you think already do know about the CSM. Those that don't vote probably either think of it as a joke or realize exactly what it is to CCP, a "sounding board". In those regards, what does it matter if you vote so long as the CSM understands the general spirit of the game and understands the intricacies of the rules well enough to alert CCP to any issues.

Actually as to the far more people, I was amazed last year that how many people in local had no idea what the CSM was. I think you are forgetting this is a computer game and you just dont put the ideas of a voted in players council and a computer game together.

People by nature are stupid ignorant creatures.

As to the sounding board, yes they are but they are getting more involved in the process every year.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-08-18 04:39:25 UTC
The reason no one is over in Jita Park and you have to come over here and **** up GD is because no one cares. If they did care, Jita Park wouldn't be a wasteland. People know about the CSM, they just don't care as it doesnt have any real power or actually do anything other than to communicate player sentiment to CCP. I don't know where you get this idea that somehow CSM is supposed to produce weekly, or even monthly, results. Literally the only reason the CSM was created was as a way for the player base to communicate with CCP, therefore the effectiveness of the council is entirely at the whims of CCP and the political skills fo the CSM representatives.
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