EVE General Discussion

There's no such loadout, only teams of 4 max dps catas. You can't improve the loadout, you can only increase the number of gankers it requires to counter the HP, which is 4 max dps catas vs a decent mack tank.

Good job Chribba some DEV saw your post & nerfed this ability in today's patch

Should I argue from a perspective where a certain mechanic works?

It should work everywhere unless there's a specific design note stating where it should not. So I argue off perspectives where the mechanic works worse than in other contexts.

I don't understand why people are angry at mining becoming easier. It just means more carebears will mine and the price for minerals will go down.

It all depends on whether you want to make the most money for the time invested.

Again, if Hulk popularity has decreased and Mac popularity has increased, things are working as intended.

By the way, where do you think those large orders of high end minerals come from anyway... the Ore Fairy?

If you don't like them or the changes, you can always not use one, or go back to WOW if EVE just doesn't force you to run around the cluster site-seeing while you collect something to a scripted quest or whatever that game *cough* has in it.

Look, EVE is what people decide it is, your point of case is you don't like seeing this big change to the mack apparently, well that is the ship most people find the most useful, just like any other classification of ship people find the one that works the best and then use it, if it works well most people use it... that is just the way it is, most people found the ore bay the biggest plus in the changes and that makes sense, I said on the first SISI patch "The Mack is going to be the New Hulk" - and so be it, nothing wrong with that, something has to be top-dog... but at least it's based on sound function in role and also most common player philosophy and practice.

Why Macks all over... because it makes perfect sense.

1. Most miner's are solo player multiboxers... that is just a fact, their reasons for this play style very but it's just the straight fact of the matter... and having a booster that doesn't need to double as a hauler is one reason, and not having a non-miner hauling ship is another - multiboxing is about keeping the least amount of tasks for human-bandwidth attention... hulks need a hauler, so you have two more things to mind in your fleet, and ore transfers - a third extra thing, and then docking and undocking and so on...simplificatoin of tasks = more fun and better performance in the system. So when you have a boost you simply undock and turn on, you have no hauler, and you simply mine and haul each ship as a single entity with no transfers it's obvious people will do that... because it's efficient.

Now is this bad.. NO.. it's fine, it removed alot of the stupidity of using a cargo ship for an ore shuttle... it removed the use of jet-can's which never where intended for mining use, it makes the orca now a real command ship that can sit and boost on site or in system and not try to be a hauler in an op because it sucks in that role - too fat, slow and all, it's best used as a booster, OR a inter-system transport for mining ships, not a inter-op ore shuttle.

So CCP got rid of all the band-aid crap that has plagued mining since the beginning in a few changes - and made it more efficient just like any real life corporation or person would do, and your saying you don't like it because it's not the changes that suited your thoughts or way of playing... well get used to it, it's CCPs game, the majority of people are happy and the few that seem to be complaining are either:

Clueless about mining and just have to say there say regardless of how lacking in any understanding

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Gankers tearing about how this now makes them have to find another outlet for there lack of real PvP skill and there no inability to make easy ISK running around exploiting the games intention for stupid antics to fill a KB with "Puffery" fluffer kills, which simply say you can't make real KMs so you have to pad it to the max with lame crap kills - compensation no doubt for other failings more personal.

I am confused. Why is paying for a subscription 'better' than burning up PLEX? You seem to think its something to brag about.

Also, what happened to your mom? Did she disown you?

Because I would have.....you know....if I was your mom.

I mostly just pay the monies for an account so I can keep posting here with you great people

The orehold isnt even a third of what it should be, the mackinaw should be 100k ore hold, with 100kehp unfitted.
I mean such a small orebay is a joke.


Ps. I really like the mackinaw now, but the devs cant now, or else they will nerph it

How many packed frigates can you fit inside in a Mackinaw? Because I can stuff six into a Bestower, and I'm only at level 3. Ammunition? Modules? Processed minerals? Or, more to the point, what can you haul in a Mackinaw besides unprocessed ore?

Your claim to it being "a miner and industrial all in one, the best of both worlds" are completely without merit, unless the only hauling you ever do is raw ores. For everything else you still need proper industrial ships. Even if you're just doing mining, I might add, because once processed those minerals don't get to go back into the ore bay. They have to go in that dinky little 450m lunchbox they glued to the hull as an afterthought.

So yes, I use a Mackinaw, and yes, I always keep that Bestower one step behind it, too.