EVE General Discussion

Working as intended.

And so on ....



And yes actually, its called intel channels, one poor guy might get took but then it should be all over your intel channels that a hostile hot drop gang is in the area. At that point you would be organizing the trap to take them out of your space.

But you won't do that, it requires that you not be running a bot.



Effortlessly? I've sat perfectly still watching a tower for 6 hours before, not moving once, at my computer the whole time waiting for a Nyx to log in who logged 10km outside the shields.

That takes effort, and in the end it paid off with a dead nyx. I'm already sitting still for 6 hours, I don't feel like moving, the target I needed to watch was a tower, I shouldn't have to warp off and back because you want to bot in freedom.



Wait what? Why do you get to dictate what the "true purpose" of a cloak is?

As far as I know, the true purpose of a cloak is to not be seen, sounds like its working.



Yea, you've pretty much spent the entire thread threatening action on people, yet oddly enough, the Mods, who are terribly fierce and usually take action nearly instantly have let the thread progress unfettered.

Let me tell you why:

You posted this in General Discussion, and you are attempting to illicit a discussion about a game change.

Oddly enough, there is a section specifically for that call "Features and Ideas Discussions". You'll find it below General Discussion quite a ways.

You cannot force somebody to stay on topic here because oddly enough, this is General Discussion, where we generally discuss things.

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Now we're going to have grown up talk for a minute, this may be hard for you and apostle and the other douche bag that keeps acting like this is an issue.

The thing you are complaining about has been named a Valid Tactic by CCP themselves, at many a Fanfest over the years, its called Resource Denial.

There are many tools at your disposal to deal with such a things, but all of those tools are player oriented, CCP likes to let the players themselves deal with the problems with the mechanics already in game without limiting them in some arbitrary way.

I'm sorry that many things that CCP has planned don't meet your approval, like the change thats coming to local. It gives too much information too fast and leaves too little risk for the 0.0 dweller, as per CCP's own words, on multiple occasions.

They fully intend to change it, and have stated so MANY times before this. Yes it will come with some scanner improvements, no you won't be Wormhole Blind, but you will get less information about a given system than you get now.

This is not an issue, you are making it one, certain things you simply must accept.

Grath there is a level of discussion possible but when people try to deliberately go off topic, Troll, or do other things because they can't deal with the fact that we are discussing ways to remove the incentive to walk away from the computer while cloaked which is central part of their free ganks.

My plan of using probes to find a random point for a decloak will remove the incentive while allowing active cloakers to continue their activities.

Some want to discuss it.

Some want to share other ideas.

Some just want to troll, flame and violate the forum TOS because they know Winter 2011 is one of the most likely times that this issue will be addressed. And that is what the report post flag is for.

Let me help you in big letters, to make it easy:




THIS IS THE WRONG SECTION OF THE FORUMS TO DISCUSS GAME CHANGE IDEAS.


WE HAVE ANOTHER SECTION FOR THAT.




You should google the fanfest round table discussions and the Dev panel discussions where the crowd gets face time with the developers and open question and answer sessions are held.

It would probably clear up a lot of misconceptions about the game that both of you have.

Basically they've flat out said this is not something they see as a problem, its a viable game tactic.

Right, so it doesn't matter who says it to you, you refuse to see any side but your own and anything outside that is obviously false, even so far as to ignore the people who actually make the game.


Did you notice how few people are supporting the 4 of you mainly defending this in 12+ pages of posting?


TWELVE pages, and its just you 4, ignoring every fact presented to you, including dev comments and actual counters, and you still don't see that you could possibly be making a mountain out of a molehill?

So your friend, has spent the entire thread demanding people stay on topic, and threatening moderator action.

Obviously, if he/she had posted it here:
THE NEW IDEA SECTION
he/she may have gotten the desired results, sadly, he posted this gem in the General Discussion, so yes, you're going to get trolled here, as this subject does not belong here, and so is being treated accordingly by the populace





This forum is less than a month old, are they to respond with a red and blue tag to every topic even if they've been over it 1000 times before on the old forums, now they are somehow beholden to you and yours to respond to your every beck and call?

I somehow doubt that.

What the EVE community has tried to point out to your and your friends is that this subject has been brought up about 27038490328490328 times before, and been calmly put down by CCP over and over and over and over and over and over to the point that I'm sure theres a guy with a copy paste response saved in a word document on his desktop for just such an occasion.

Unfortunately he doesn't know to look for this thread since its not in the Features and Ideas section.

So here you sit, insulting the helpful community thats trying to show you that you are not in fact treading over new ground and that everything you are saying and suggesting has both been said and suggested before, by a great number of people.

Do you really think that over 8 years somebody else hasn't said "Man I hate this cloaked dude in my system", and that somehow your stand with your 3 friends against 12 pages of people telling you that nobody cares will make a difference?

Also the trolls opinions matter too, just because you assume them to be trolls because their opinion isn't presented in a format you find desirable, or doesn't match your own opinion, doesn't invalidate it in any way shape or form.

QFT

Carebears are NOT entitled to nullsec space free of intruders, if you want risk free PvE go back to highsec.

absolutely nothing wrong with parking a cloaky in someones system, especially when it extracts delicious carebear tears.

Actually its not local nor the afk cloackers

its ISK/hr attitude which is threatened. The all-mighty isk/hr the reason why "most" people stays in game. Some are better at it and providing wide aspect of gameplay for several other corporations or and alliances some are worse at it and worked under stress of next bill and getting things done for few people...

I've heard heaps of Testies bitching real bad at AFK cloakies in 7BX and/or PXF when you're trying to rat.

From memory, one cloaky was in 7BX for more than a month..... Is he still there?

Did you "get him"?

You got it. Finally....