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CCP: "Griefing" policy question
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#221 - 2011-10-10 17:46:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I like you're new bloodthursty view of things.
New?

That rather tells me that this topic doesn't come up as often as people seem to think, so I haven't had the opportunity to express it as often as needed, because I've had that view for years now… Twisted

I've been in this game for four years. I've been the target for ganks a total of four times (and one didn't really count as “mine” because it was a smartbomb attack against the Perimeter gate), all of which were trivially easy to avoid and all of which failed. This is far too few and an utterly appalling score card.

I still remember back when it felt slightly scary to go to Jita 4-4 — I want that feeling back. Cry


I must admit that it has been far too long sinse the last jita blocade
Calgrissom Torvec
#222 - 2011-10-10 18:12:15 UTC
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
CCP should just make it so any ship killed by concord does not get its insurance payout.

No. Punishing new players who are prone to make mistakes is not the solution to this and you are just another selfish,evil ,noob bashing, griefer scum who thinks of nobody but himself!


For one I am a newb. And as a newb I know that the last thing I will do is target and shoot someone knowing concord will come and blow up my ship. No the non payout for insurance to people concorded should give them less insentive to gank.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#223 - 2011-10-10 18:28:29 UTC
Jovan Geldon wrote:
Quote:
At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.


Emphasis mine. Economic warfare is still warfare; it's only malicious if you are gaining literally nothing from it.


You mean like Faction Warfare? I thought it was an intended game feature.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#224 - 2011-10-10 18:33:48 UTC
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
No the non payout for insurance to people concorded should give them less insentive to gank.
…and why on earth would you give less incentives to ganks when, if anything, there needs to be more of them?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#225 - 2011-10-10 18:40:27 UTC
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
CCP should just make it so any ship killed by concord does not get its insurance payout.

No. Punishing new players who are prone to make mistakes is not the solution to this and you are just another selfish,evil ,noob bashing, griefer scum who thinks of nobody but himself!


For one I am a newb. And as a newb I know that the last thing I will do is target and shoot someone knowing concord will come and blow up my ship. No the non payout for insurance to people concorded should give them less insentive to gank.


hopefully i get to pod you

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#226 - 2011-10-10 23:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
baltec1 wrote:
Tippia wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I like you're new bloodthursty view of things.
New?

That rather tells me that this topic doesn't come up as often as people seem to think, so I haven't had the opportunity to express it as often as needed, because I've had that view for years now… Twisted

I've been in this game for four years. I've been the target for ganks a total of four times (and one didn't really count as “mine” because it was a smartbomb attack against the Perimeter gate), all of which were trivially easy to avoid and all of which failed. This is far too few and an utterly appalling score card.

I still remember back when it felt slightly scary to go to Jita 4-4 — I want that feeling back. Cry


I must admit that it has been far too long since the last jita blockade


Think Goons could hold a Jita blockade AND keep up the Gallente ice interdiction? Or did they give that up already?

Tippia wrote:
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
No the non payout for insurance to people concorded should give them less insentive to gank.
…and why on earth would you give less incentives to ganks when, if anything, there needs to be more of them?


Yeah... but really they need to remove the insurance payout. Call it an "underworld gift" instead. Insurance has a funny way of looking at someone driving the insured vehicle to a location, blowing it up for the purpose of killing all those in reach.

Especially the third or fourth time.

edit: since not sinse blockade not blocade (sorry OCD)

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#227 - 2011-10-11 00:27:18 UTC
insurance also looks at you funny when you ask to insure something for use in combat

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#228 - 2011-10-11 00:42:19 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
insurance also looks at you funny when you ask to insure something for use in combat


also true. remove insurance for all combat ships, only give it to miners and industrialists. Sound good to me

Funny a Goon would support something like that though

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#229 - 2011-10-11 01:36:32 UTC
I assume OP is referring to the Goons attack on Gallente ice space. This is not malicious but instead it is an attempt to raise the price of ice products for their profit. I do not see this as a malicious attack.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
The Apostle
Doomheim
#230 - 2011-10-11 01:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
Wacktopia wrote:
I assume OP is referring to the Goons attack on Gallente ice space. This is not malicious but instead it is an attempt to raise the price of ice products for their profit. I do not see this as a malicious attack.

Actually no. OP was raising the point about future such "malicious" attacks, rightly or wrongly.

The fact it's GSF playing silly buggers in this case just prompted the topic.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#231 - 2011-10-11 02:01:42 UTC
Lord Ryan wrote:
Jovan Geldon wrote:
Quote:
At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.


Emphasis mine. Economic warfare is still warfare; it's only malicious if you are gaining literally nothing from it.


You mean like Faction Warfare? I thought it was an intended game feature.


Intended game features become bugs when inconvenient. EVEN to CCP.
see the "bug" where you continued training skills after your account went unpaid.

This guy's sig makes me wanna find someone with Tron tattoos all over their body... I think thats just the Lortabs mixed Autism talking tho

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#232 - 2011-10-11 02:34:31 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Jovan Geldon wrote:
Quote:
At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.


Emphasis mine. Economic warfare is still warfare; it's only malicious if you are gaining literally nothing from it.

Firstly, no lost Hulks. Wouldn't complain if I did. Be my own fault.

And for the record, the definition of malicious, consistent and interfering are NOT related to anything economic.

The whole "bot kills" and "commodity throttling" is all smoke and mirrors for consistent and malicious bully-boy behaviour.

This "campaign" is not random shoots and corp kills - it is a VERY deliberate and co-ordinated approach that is interfering with the play of others.

For mine, if what the G**N's are doing is NOT deemed griefing then NOTHING in game can be called griefing - ever.

I'm just after a clear definition of the rule. I see it as a topic for debate.


As far as i understood it anything in the game that didnt involve hacking was fine, i mean you can fc an incursion ecm the logis wipe the fleet run back and loot the crap and thats fine cause the fleet didnt cover thier ass-ets good enough. Same as ppl infiltrating corps and stealing trillions of isk in cash/stuff.

In the grand scheme of things a couple of bored guys blowing up miners is barely a drop in the ocean to what other people have done. As for breaking the market, assuming they do destroy anything i dont really see that as anything more than a universal financial crisis. Better get your stimulus packages ready!
Shadow51585
Relapse Anonymous
Sedition.
#233 - 2011-10-13 05:03:59 UTC
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
CCP should just make it so any ship killed by concord does not get its insurance payout.

No. Punishing new players who are prone to make mistakes is not the solution to this and you are just another selfish,evil ,noob bashing, griefer scum who thinks of nobody but himself!


For one I am a newb. And as a newb I know that the last thing I will do is target and shoot someone knowing concord will come and blow up my ship. No the non payout for insurance to people concorded should give them less insentive to gank.


Two words: Moon Mining

When your alliance makes billions upon billions upon billions per day in passive income, this means exactly nothing to the ganker. Especially when the ship you just lost is paid for by said alliance.

ISK means nothing to the average Goonswarm pilot and rightly so. He is free to lead a life in the pursuit of delicious grief. And the getting is very very good at the moment.
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#234 - 2011-10-13 06:06:10 UTC
why does he keep saying g**ns idgi
The Apostle
Doomheim
#235 - 2011-10-13 06:12:27 UTC
Sverige Pahis wrote:
why does he keep saying g**ns idgi

Hey. Well spotted Twisted

I think I did it 'cos G**ns love people posting about them and jump on to troll the thread to pieces. Can't have people saying good things about you now hey?

I'm hoping it's a bit hard to search for G**ns when it's spelled G**ns.

Now ya know of my clever plot, I'm going to spell it G..ns or G$$ns or some other such.

You guys are joyous.... Really. You are.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Player 90570295
La Blue Girl
#236 - 2011-10-13 07:46:34 UTC
Komen wrote:
I know, I've been lurking Kugu the better part of 2 years now. Eventually I hope my posting skills will be up to snuff, and might register and take part.

Please don't.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#237 - 2011-10-13 08:00:32 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Sverige Pahis wrote:
why does he keep saying g**ns idgi

Hey. Well spotted Twisted

I think I did it 'cos G**ns love people posting about them and jump on to troll the thread to pieces. Can't have people saying good things about you now hey?

I'm hoping it's a bit hard to search for G**ns when it's spelled G**ns.

Now ya know of my clever plot, I'm going to spell it G..ns or G$$ns or some other such.

You guys are joyous.... Really. You are.

G-d
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#238 - 2011-10-13 08:02:17 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Sverige Pahis wrote:
why does he keep saying g**ns idgi

Hey. Well spotted Twisted

I think I did it 'cos G**ns love people posting about them and jump on to troll the thread to pieces. Can't have people saying good things about you now hey?

I'm hoping it's a bit hard to search for G**ns when it's spelled G**ns.

Now ya know of my clever plot, I'm going to spell it G..ns or G$$ns or some other such.

You guys are joyous.... Really. You are.



If you want to stop people using googlesearch to find ludicrous tear-threads, you'll need to change your name to *p*stl*

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#239 - 2011-10-13 16:25:18 UTC
i absolutely love this thread

there is nothing like pubbies ~angry~ about not being able to mine ice

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#240 - 2011-10-13 22:50:47 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Think Goons could hold a Jita blockade AND keep up the Gallente ice interdiction? Or did they give that up already?

The Gallente ice interdiction is still going strong. We're having trouble actually finding exhumers so today we moved up to killing Orcas because some dude wrote a guide to fighting back against us and said Orcas were completely safe in highsec.