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Why Tengus are good at fighting Caracals
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Digg Kula
DK Laboratory
#21 - 2012-08-14 08:58:38 UTC
Doesn't the tengu have 127km heavy missile range?
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-08-14 09:11:52 UTC
Digg Kula wrote:
Doesn't the tengu have 127km heavy missile range?

Yeah, so does the Caracal.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-08-14 11:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Darius Brinn
I'm anxiously waiting for another thread explaining, in a similar fashion to this one, why my Thorax can't brawl as well as a Proteus, despite being more cost effective in a DPS per isk chart.

After that, we might try to analyze why Legions are good at fighting Mallers, and why properly fit Lokis might stand a chance against Stabbers.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-08-14 13:15:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Darius Brinn wrote:
I'm anxiously waiting for another thread explaining, in a similar fashion to this one, why my Thorax can't brawl as well as a Proteus, despite being more cost effective in a DPS per isk chart.

After that, we might try to analyze why Legions are good at fighting Mallers, and why properly fit Lokis might stand a chance against Stabbers.

Proteus can have more total mid slots which allows it to fit enough target painters and deadspace webs to be able to use railguns at close range and while orbiting its target. Thus it gains a range advantage over the Thorax.

Legion capacitor subsystem plus capacitor cost reduction for lasers means that it can keep up the laser fire long enough to break the Maller's tank.

100MN afterburner Loki can orbit in a tighter circle, so that the Stabber can't track it.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#25 - 2012-08-14 13:16:19 UTC
Easily the dumbest thread I've seen on eveo. Wtf gave you the impression that caracals are good against tengus, I can't think of one thing the caracal is better at. Gtfo op.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#26 - 2012-08-14 13:41:04 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
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100MN afterburner Loki can orbit in a tighter circle, so that the Stabber can't track it.


100mn loki can orbit in like a 30km circle. Thats not really tight
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#27 - 2012-08-14 16:58:02 UTC
7/10 for still getting people to reply after you informed them it was a troll thread

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-08-14 18:53:51 UTC
6/10

brb
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-08-14 19:31:10 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I don't know if you noticed, though, but Shereza (the reason I made this thread) did exactly what I said she would and claimed that it actually was feasible for Caracals to be cost-effective against Tengus.


Claiming to do things you never did? Check.
Claiming others said things they didn't? Check.
Making outlandish statements to provoke responses? Check.
Smells like poor, and obvious, trolling? Check.

I don't mind playing with trolls, but only when they're smart about their trolling. You aren't. Cry
Anvil44
Quantshure
#30 - 2012-08-14 19:36:56 UTC
So how do I get these few minutes of my life back from reading what has to be the worst thread post yet. Feel like I just watched an argument between my 6 yr old daughter(original poster) and my 20 yr old daughter. *sigh* The childishness never goes away.
I suppose in some universe saying 'cost-effective' actually equals saying 'as effective'. However, not in the Eve universe, nor the one I currently inhabit.
Going to wash my hands and get a drink of water. Maybe then I will feel better...

I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#31 - 2012-08-15 01:23:51 UTC
0/10



Also, 355 Caracals would surely kill a Tengu. It'd run outta ammo at some point.
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-08-15 01:43:33 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
0/10



Also, 355 Caracals would surely kill a Tengu. It'd run outta ammo at some point.


That's when it starts tossing exotic dancers out the airlock to distract the caracals while it tries to escape.
Noisrevbus
#33 - 2012-08-15 01:53:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
Hiyora Akachi wrote:

Also, 355 Caracals would surely kill a Tengu. It'd run outta ammo at some point.


Actually, a Caracal have about a 1500 EM-volley (II /w CN) and an active, Tengu+Loki boosted 100mn Tengu have about 50k ehp over a heated 3500m/s or roughly 90% sig-speed mitigation vs. HML resulting in the rough equivalent of 500k ehp to a Caracal.

So 355 Caracals would alpha such a Tengu, even against it's average resist profile.

Such a Tengu concept would be in the vicinity of 3b, including the boosters.

A fully fit Caracal is what, 10m? So 355 of those would also be just over 3b.

Cost-effect and all that nonsense...

Once again, how many Caracals are you comparing the Tengu to in this thread? Roll
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#34 - 2012-08-15 03:30:02 UTC
cant, stop.......must.............reply....EvilTwisted

kill em all.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-08-15 08:34:22 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Well if you based it on cost (and adding Caracals till the cost was close to equal), then the Tengu might be outmatched.


I don't know Tengus well enough to state either way.
Edit: or Caracals for that matter, or how much either costs these days.


On a pure cost/isk factor the tengu would win (if the tengu has implants/heat/links and the caracals woudnt), a 3bil tengu can tank, with heat vs dumb opponents using scourge fury, around 209 caracals (or 61k caracal paper dps) , which would put the cost of them at ca. 20mil per caracal at about 4.1bil. Which would mean the tengu is more cost efficient!

(of course if the caracals are smart and use navy mjolnir and the tengu doesnt heat the number drop to the tengu just beeing able to tank 45 caracals at once).


(also a superpimp tengu, droping the web for a second invul with heat and ragnarok links instead of loki links would be able to tank 607 caracals at once)


So yes tengus are good at fighting caracals!
Warpshade
Warped Industries
#36 - 2012-08-15 10:52:10 UTC
Some of you may be under the mistaken impression that untanked Hulks do well against Tornados, but I'm going to show you why that's not true. Hear me out:

1.) EHP vs. Alpha: Tornados have a Alpha and higher dps than an untanked Hulks EHP when fit properly, meaning the Hulk cannot last as long in a fight between the two.

2.) Probing/Cloaky alt setup: this allows the Tornado to close in to gank range easily, preventing the Hulk from taking advantage of its potentially superior AFK ability. Due to the improperly balanced effects of using cearbear logic, MLU's will not slow the Tornado's damage very much.

3.) covert ops cloak: with this, the Tornado's alt allows him to be more mobile than the Hulk, and can more easily dictate how quick the tears begin.

4.) probes bonus: Tornados with the scanning alt can detect Hulks with combat scanner probes, faster than the Hulk pilot can find the Tornado. This gives the Tornado even more advantage when it comes to initiating the attack.

Thoughts?
Anvil44
Quantshure
#37 - 2012-08-15 13:50:06 UTC
Warpshade wrote:
Some of you may be under the mistaken impression that untanked Hulks do well against Tornados, but I'm going to show you why that's not true. Hear me out:

1.) EHP vs. Alpha: Tornados have a Alpha and higher dps than an untanked Hulks EHP when fit properly, meaning the Hulk cannot last as long in a fight between the two.

2.) Probing/Cloaky alt setup: this allows the Tornado to close in to gank range easily, preventing the Hulk from taking advantage of its potentially superior AFK ability. Due to the improperly balanced effects of using cearbear logic, MLU's will not slow the Tornado's damage very much.

3.) covert ops cloak: with this, the Tornado's alt allows him to be more mobile than the Hulk, and can more easily dictate how quick the tears begin.

4.) probes bonus: Tornados with the scanning alt can detect Hulks with combat scanner probes, faster than the Hulk pilot can find the Tornado. This gives the Tornado even more advantage when it comes to initiating the attack.

Thoughts?

You present some good points here. I will consider them at length. Thank you for showing me the light.Lol

I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.
Lili Lu
#38 - 2012-08-15 16:08:38 UTC
Because Tengus can fit a reactive armor hardener and 1600 plate serious armor fleet tank. DUHP
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-08-15 16:26:20 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Well if you based it on cost (and adding Caracals till the cost was close to equal), then the Tengu might be outmatched.


I don't know Tengus well enough to state either way.
Edit: or Caracals for that matter, or how much either costs these days.


On a pure cost/isk factor the tengu would win (if the tengu has implants/heat/links and the caracals woudnt), a 3bil tengu can tank, with heat vs dumb opponents using scourge fury, around 209 caracals (or 61k caracal paper dps) , which would put the cost of them at ca. 20mil per caracal at about 4.1bil. Which would mean the tengu is more cost efficient!

(of course if the caracals are smart and use navy mjolnir and the tengu doesnt heat the number drop to the tengu just beeing able to tank 45 caracals at once).


(also a superpimp tengu, droping the web for a second invul with heat and ragnarok links instead of loki links would be able to tank 607 caracals at once)


So yes tengus are good at fighting caracals!

Nerf tengus!

/sarcasm

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-08-16 01:25:02 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:

Nerf tengus!

/sarcasm


Actually yes, nerf tengus they are extremly op both in the pvp as in the pve world!
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