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Kick-Out Stations
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Adraen Flynn
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-08-15 06:18:13 UTC
I have noticed over time that different stations have different docking radii. Occasionally players will refer to some stations as "kick-outs" because once you undock, you can't immediately redock (if, for example, a gang is camping the station). I am trying to arrange for the demise of some ships by creating courier contracts in lowsec kick-out stations, and simply camping them until they undock, but my question is:

Which stations are the "best" kick-outs? (Which stations have the worst re-docking range?)

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Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-15 06:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalha Saldana
There is one good minmatar design http://evepics.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/epdedtest.png
I also think this is kickout http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/256/1138.jpg

Also search ingame, check info and preview the only station in Murethand, I lost my first carrier there :(

Anyways just imagine 1 big bubble encasing the entire station, the undock must reach the edge of it. This is why so many oddly shaped gallente stations have huuuge undocks.
bassie12bf1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-15 06:38:51 UTC
The Caldari player built outpost.

And theres a few amarr stations with the undock way at the bottom.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-15 07:06:56 UTC
The Minmatar Service Outpost has a really short docking range.

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Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-15 07:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bubanni
honestly I think all stations should have their docking radius adjusted... sure it's fine that Jita has a huge radius rest of eve should be changed to match the stations geomatri (at least around the undock)

also, more stations should have their total size increased ingame

But for the undock radius... I would say that from point of undock, to when your outside docking range, should only be about 5-7km max, (some stations it's like 30-40km right now)

EDIT: Even kickout stations as they are now, if you click CTRL+space while you undock right away, your ship will stop before your outside docking range, (depending on your size and agility)

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#6 - 2012-08-15 07:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
Bubanni wrote:

EDIT: Even kickout stations as they are now, if you click CTRL+space while you undock right away, your ship will stop before your outside docking range, (depending on your size and agility)



But if you do that, you're loosing your invulnerability 'right away' and expose yourself to incoming fire even before being able to control your ship.

Well.. I guess it's better to do that than to die trying to redock out of range anyway.

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Reicine Ceer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-15 07:23:38 UTC
I think we can all agree that the stations require a complete overhaul, but i really hope that if/when CCP does, they change the docking/undocking mechanic so that ships don't just spawn in space or disappear from space but fly into and out of the station instead :P
Jantunen the Infernal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-15 07:34:28 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Bubanni wrote:

EDIT: Even kickout stations as they are now, if you click CTRL+space while you undock right away, your ship will stop before your outside docking range, (depending on your size and agility)


But if you do that, you're loosing your invulnerability 'right away' and expose yourself to incoming fire even before being able to control your ship.

Stopping your ship doesn't actually remove invulnerability, unless they changed it recently.
Benzmann
One Risky Click
Snuffed Out
#9 - 2012-08-15 07:53:43 UTC
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#10 - 2012-08-15 08:35:25 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Bubanni wrote:

EDIT: Even kickout stations as they are now, if you click CTRL+space while you undock right away, your ship will stop before your outside docking range, (depending on your size and agility)



But if you do that, you're loosing your invulnerability 'right away' and expose yourself to incoming fire even before being able to control your ship.

Well.. I guess it's better to do that than to die trying to redock out of range anyway.


Stopping your ship is that one thing that doesn't break the invulnerability. Anything else does.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#11 - 2012-08-15 08:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Jantunen the Infernal wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Bubanni wrote:

EDIT: Even kickout stations as they are now, if you click CTRL+space while you undock right away, your ship will stop before your outside docking range, (depending on your size and agility)


But if you do that, you're loosing your invulnerability 'right away' and expose yourself to incoming fire even before being able to control your ship.

Stopping your ship doesn't actually remove invulnerability, unless they changed it recently.


They didn´t. Just stopping your ship (and only this) lets you retain your undocking invulnerability.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#12 - 2012-08-15 08:36:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Nvm

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#13 - 2012-08-15 08:41:47 UTC
Caldari player-built-outpost is *awful*
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-08-15 09:50:37 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:


They didn´t. Just stopping your ship (and only this) lets you retain your undocking invulnerability.


Yeah, but the problem with kick out stations is, that the momentum can bring you out off docking range well before your ship has stopped and/or the secion change timer has expired, at least when you fly a big ship, e.g. a freighter.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2012-08-15 10:26:08 UTC
The Caldari doom fortress (type 5 station hub) is pretty close. The overhang and height creates a tiny amount of buffer on the docking bubble, but you have to be quick to stop not to drift out of range and if your ship is lumbering enough, it's close to impossible.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#16 - 2012-08-15 11:11:01 UTC
Sola Mercury wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:


They didn´t. Just stopping your ship (and only this) lets you retain your undocking invulnerability.


Yeah, but the problem with kick out stations is, that the momentum can bring you out off docking range well before your ship has stopped and/or the secion change timer has expired, at least when you fly a big ship, e.g. a freighter.


True, the Minmatar Pator Tech School is one of those kick-out stations; see post #2, first link for a picture.
Time to read up all about insta-undock bookmarks.... Cool

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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-08-15 11:21:25 UTC
More kick out stations, thanks! Reward those who think ahead and punish those who don't. Twisted
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#18 - 2012-08-15 12:22:34 UTC
Reicine Ceer wrote:
I think we can all agree that the stations require a complete overhaul


No, we can't.

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Kalea Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-08-15 17:04:24 UTC
1. Undock in a noobship / frigate first, in order to take a peek.

2. Question marks.

3. Net gains.
Adraen Flynn
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-08-15 17:15:07 UTC
I am trying to limit myself to lowsec and 0.0, as everyone can access those stations. No point in camping an outpost if the only people who can dock there are blue, right? =p

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