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Impressive farming power by all the gunless Minmatars!
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Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#101 - 2012-08-15 13:28:57 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Anyone looking for meaningful fights in FW is going to be disappointed to find that PvP combat is only a side game.
Meaningful PvP is done in home systems all the time. Carry on with rant.



Smart people don't make their home system in fw space. It just to be saddles them with the burdern of having their eve spent defensive plexing - usuallly with no wts ever even coming in the plex.


TBH, Cearain, you are dead wrong. Some of the best fights happen when one side is deplexing their home, the other side notices and mounts an offense, the defenders mount a defense, and then everyone ends up mounting something and usually both parties end up spent and feeling good.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-08-15 13:38:29 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
I wouldn't mind at all if we were being pushed back by guns. That is how it should be. But that is not the case. We are pushed back by easymode semi-AFK farming alts mostly and a lot of them comes from our very own militia. That is the ****** up part about the game.


Caldari militia is able to hold several enemy systems deep within enemy space and we are massively outnumbered by the Gallente in both pvp & farming toons (Most gallente players have 1-2 matar farming alts). Of course Gallente will now make the obligatory "Lies, we get blobbed all the time" post like they have done for the past years whenever someone dares to say the truth about the warzone.



I dont understand whether people dislike Lexmana because he is Amarr or because he is allegedly whining? Regardless - he is right. It is Faction WARFARE. Gunless button spinners have absolutely no place. I don't necessarily blame the players that are doing it (though I do think it is extremely lame) because it is a 'valid' mechanic. I blame CCP for not fixing such and obviously broken and (seemingly) easily fixable problem. Just make it so all of the rats must be killed. It fixes a large portion of the problem...

And I will wager that not all players have farming alts. I have none. Hell, I don't even plex very much on my main. I do fit guns on all of my ships though.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
#103 - 2012-08-15 13:56:12 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:


Everybody and his brother agrees the afk plexing alt thing is FUBAR, but right now therer's nothing any of us can do about it until CCP implements a fix. So instead of continually whining about it nonstop only when your side is losing occupancy warfare, enjoy the ride.


Voice of reason and common sense
(P.S. Still frogs must die P )
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2012-08-15 13:57:33 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:

Everybody and his brother agrees the afk plexing alt thing is FUBAR, but right now therer's nothing any of us can do about it until CCP implements a fix.


Not true, I think the current setup is just fine
Wenron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-08-15 14:12:31 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:

Everybody and his brother agrees the afk plexing alt thing is FUBAR, but right now therer's nothing any of us can do about it until CCP implements a fix.


Not true, I think the current setup is just fine


But you are special.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2012-08-15 14:13:15 UTC
Peteris G wrote:
You are from test LolLolLol


Why do you keep saying that exactly?
Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
#107 - 2012-08-15 14:16:22 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
You are from test LolLolLol


Why do you keep saying that exactly?



You quoted message that is two days old... well... I am not that rude and will not call You window licker, but... are not Your questions slightly too late? Blink
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2012-08-15 14:19:04 UTC
Wenron wrote:

But you are special.



Thanks I'm glad you think so but I'm not gay so just no.........
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2012-08-15 14:19:34 UTC
Peteris G wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
You are from test LolLolLol


Why do you keep saying that exactly?



You quoted message that is two days old... well... I am not that rude and will not call You window licker, but... are not Your questions slightly too late? Blink


No I want to know why you keep saying he's from test?
Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
#110 - 2012-08-15 14:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Peteris G
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
You are from test LolLolLol


Why do you keep saying that exactly?



You quoted message that is two days old... well... I am not that rude and will not call You window licker, but... are not Your questions slightly too late? Blink


No I want to know why you keep saying he's from test?


Statement "keep saying" suppose that I did it multiple times and still keep doing that. Truth is - there was only one such statement. So I can't answer to Your question due obvious fact - You question implies false facts. Cool
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-08-15 14:32:27 UTC
Peteris G wrote:
You question implies false facts. Cool


What fact?
Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
#112 - 2012-08-15 14:38:10 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
You question implies false facts. Cool


What fact?



That one
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2012-08-15 14:41:00 UTC
Peteris G wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
You question implies false facts. Cool


What fact?



That one


Which one?
Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
#114 - 2012-08-15 14:42:26 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
You question implies false facts. Cool


What fact?



That one


Which one?


One that You mentioned
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-08-15 14:55:46 UTC
Peteris G wrote:


One that You mentioned


I've got multiple personalities so you'll need to explain.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#116 - 2012-08-15 15:00:02 UTC
/combo breaker

Thomas Kreshant wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:

Everybody and his brother agrees the afk plexing alt thing is FUBAR


Not true, I think the current setup is just fine


It's fine? I flew around Devoid for a bit. Found ten plex farmers who avoided me completely. Found a few SB missioners who avoided me completely. Avoided a Daredevil+Firetail pair running a mission. Found a Rifter and engaged him in my Executioner! Finally!

Turns out, an AB Rifter without a web can escape from an AB Executioner without a web, so I only got a moral victory out of that. Then he came back with an Ishkur and it turned out that an AB Ishkur with a web has the edge in range control. This was way cooler than having a Slasher hide in a safespot until I'd go away, or having a Merlin immediately warp to a gate and leave a system when I landed on grid.

Oh, but I found that Rifter at a lowsec exploration site, not a plex. And he came right back in an Ishkur and fought me again because he wasn't in FW and could reasonably leave ships in the local station. So all that I got out of this roam from FW was a bunch of non-combat experiences with alts.

Now X Gallentius, who is not being disingenuous at all, would like Amarr to allow that they're in FW for PvP and so they should just shut up and enjoy the PvP. (Oh, and other factions can shut up too, even though they have nothing to complain about and therefore hardly ever complain except to wish for stuff like easier own-goals.) Fine, but why be in FW then? Seems like the advantages for Amarr have dwindled to:

1. You can gain some faction standing, you carebear.

2. You can aggress a bunch of people without security status penalties, you pansy.

3. You gain some frenemies. Oh geez, why don't you just set TEST blue while you're at it? Or cast magic missile, you role player?

4. Enemy militia who live in a system have a very slight incentive to try to engage you when you're in a plex in that system, rather than ignore you and deplex it when you're not around.

But if you're in FW for a little while you'll gain all the faction standing you can get, and security status isn't that big of a deal, and it's not like you can't have blues and allies without CCP setting up play-dates for you. So #1-#3 aren't much. #4 is... something, but I doubt anyone's decided not to resign after thinking about it. I imagine people actually stay in the Amarr Militia due to

1. Wanting to fight for the Empire against the Republic. A light roleplaying motive that's largely betrayed by the warzone control, a system in which the worst thing Amarrians can do is ever reclaim a system for the Empire. No, the smart thing is to have just three or so systems for ages and ages, then cash out, then après cash out le déluge, then do it again. How inspiring! Let's raise the flag!

2. Hoping that the system will one day not suck and they'd get the normal amenities of FW again, like being able to bluster about only wanting pvp without having to get a day job. But they'd better not talk about how it might be changed to not suck, or about how specifically it sucks right now, because then they'll be whining and other people will be terribly disappointed in them!
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2012-08-15 15:10:00 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
/combo breaker

It's fine? I flew around Devoid for a bit. Found ten plex farmers who avoided me completely. Found a few SB missioners who avoided me completely. Avoided a Daredevil+Firetail pair running a mission. Found a Rifter and engaged him in my Executioner! Finally!



Yes it's fine as Soundwave said himself there is nothing wrong with people wanting to do FW just to farm LP or do missions there is zero requirement for people to have to PVP, you can force them to pvp (die) if you can catch them of course but as he said it's not his (CCP) job to tell people how to play eve.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#118 - 2012-08-15 15:24:45 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Yes it's fine as Soundwave said himself there is nothing wrong with people wanting to do FW just to farm LP or do missions there is zero requirement for people to have to PVP, you can force them to pvp (die) if you can catch them of course but as he said it's not his (CCP) job to tell people how to play eve.


He also asked if there's a problem with that. Well, one problem with plex farmers is that they're actively boring to have around. They're just noise, making it harder for people who want to fight to find other people who want to fight. And didn't he say this in the context of FW missions, which are unambiguous farming sites? I did mention missioners, but I didn't really expect a fight from bombers.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#119 - 2012-08-15 15:35:22 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:

.... more whinage....

I have a solution for you. GTFO of FW before you have a heart attack and your head explodes. Come back when they implement afk alt plexing fix.

Or, console yourself with the fact that the Amarr pushed the Minmatar out of one of their main home systems. Amarr 1, Minmatar 0 so far. See what I did there? I gave you a metric that really means something you and your Amarr brothers can be proud of.

Feel better about yourself? (You should, kicking somebody out of a home system is pretty impressive).
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-08-15 15:42:23 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
. Come back when they implement afk alt plexing fix.


People keep going AFK alts all the time but i've never met any of these so called afk plexers.

99.999% of the plexers I've seen while on fresh characters like mine (FW does ruin standings on a main) they've all been present and simply grinding out LP to fund whatever else they do in eve.