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Captain Robby
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-08-15 08:17:16 UTC
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#2 - 2012-08-15 08:22:14 UTC
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?



Unfortunately in Hi sec. Without a Pos, the only option is to queue it. Sucks I know.



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CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2012-08-15 08:24:25 UTC
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?


Use an assembly line that is currently being used and just wait your turn.
Join a corporation that has POSs / Outpost (latter requires them having Sovereignty somewhere) with ME assembly lines.
Create your own one man corporate and one-man the management and logistics behind a POS just so that you can have your private research assembly lines.

Honestly, I'd recommend you join a player run corporation of like minded people. Studies show that's how people stay longer with the game and we get more money the best way of creating an efficient production chain.

CCP Prism X

Programmer on Team Gridlock & Expert Ranter
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#4 - 2012-08-15 08:31:01 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?


Use an assembly line that is currently being used and just wait your turn.
Join a corporation that has POSs / Outpost (latter requires them having Sovereignty somewhere) with ME assembly lines.
Create your own one man corporate and one-man the management and logistics behind a POS just so that you can have your private research assembly lines.

Honestly, I'd recommend you join a player run corporation of like minded people. Studies show that's how people stay longer with the game and we get more money the best way of creating an efficient production chain.


He knows what he's talking about, especially the last bit, he has dreads.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Whadafool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-08-15 08:33:47 UTC
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?


I did not understand a word of that. Translate some one please?

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-08-15 08:35:08 UTC
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?

Whoa, whoa, whoa! So something is not right. Why it was not too long ago I was screamed at by some null guy about how there is tons of factory slots ready and waiting all over high sec.
bartos100
Living Ghost
#7 - 2012-08-15 08:37:43 UTC
factory slots for production are easy to find

the OP was looking for ME slots and those are all filled up
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#8 - 2012-08-15 08:41:34 UTC
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?


ninja that into lowsec. Use a frigate with intertia stabilizers.
If you can use them, use a covert ops frigate or stealth bomber.

lowsec almost always has open lines

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
#9 - 2012-08-15 08:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Syler Puuntai
CCP Prism X wrote:


Honestly, I'd recommend you join a player run corporation of like minded people. Studies show that's how people stay longer with the game and we get more money the best way of creating an efficient production chain.


The issue with that suggestion is the failure of roles at a corporation level when it comes to industry and POSs. The blanket roles system creates greater risk to everyone involved. This is one of the main reasons alt corps or 1 man corps are so popular. Using the current system for a large corp and giving members roles needed to do proper R&D is like playing Russian roulette.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#10 - 2012-08-15 08:49:55 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?


Use an assembly line that is currently being used and just wait your turn.
Join a corporation that has POSs / Outpost (latter requires them having Sovereignty somewhere) with ME assembly lines.
Create your own one man corporate and one-man the management and logistics behind a POS just so that you can have your private research assembly lines.

Honestly, I'd recommend you join a player run corporation of like minded people. Studies show that's how people stay longer with the game and we get more money the best way of creating an efficient production chain.


Yay, Studies (TM) show that people with a life few spare time have issues to play EVE The Right And Only Way developing their industrialistic interests to the maximum. EVE is a serious game that requires taking it as a second job some amount of dedication and finding a bunch of similarly thinking jobless jerks interested players to live long and prosper ingame.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2012-08-15 08:54:03 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?

Whoa, whoa, whoa! So something is not right. Why it was not too long ago I was screamed at by some null guy about how there is tons of factory slots ready and waiting all over high sec.


There is, you just have to find them in the outer systems away from the main hubs. Much easyer to go into lowsec though.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#12 - 2012-08-15 09:19:07 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Yay, Studies (TM) show that people with a life few spare time have issues to play EVE The Right And Only Way developing their industrialistic interests to the maximum. EVE is a serious game that requires taking it as a second job some amount of dedication and finding a bunch of similarly thinking jobless jerks interested players to live long and prosper ingame.


Translates to "What, this game takes effort and preparation? I WANT MY EASY/INSTANT GRATIFICATION JUST LIKE I HAD IN WOW, CHANGE IT NAOW!".
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-08-15 09:33:43 UTC
Syler Puuntai wrote:
CCP Prism X wrote:


Honestly, I'd recommend you join a player run corporation of like minded people. Studies show that's how people stay longer with the game and we get more money the best way of creating an efficient production chain.


The issue with that suggestion is the failure of roles at a corporation level when it comes to industry and POSs. The blanket roles system creates greater risk to everyone involved. This is one of the main reasons alt corps or 1 man corps are so popular. Using the current system for a large corp and giving members roles needed to do proper R&D is like playing Russian roulette.

I generally agree that more fine-grained permissions for POS access (and a UI overhaul) would be nice but I don't see how this applies to the issue of ME research.

I joined a research alliance (NER) a few years ago to get some ME research done (same issue as OP) and as far as I am aware I did at no point have the ability to cause any damage to other people's research jobs or the POS setup.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#14 - 2012-08-15 09:42:44 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Yay, Studies (TM) show that people with a life few spare time have issues to play EVE The Right And Only Way developing their industrialistic interests to the maximum. EVE is a serious game that requires taking it as a second job some amount of dedication and finding a bunch of similarly thinking jobless jerks interested players to live long and prosper ingame.


Translates to "What, this game takes effort and preparation? I WANT MY EASY/INSTANT GRATIFICATION JUST LIKE I HAD IN WOW, CHANGE IT NAOW!".



Cluelessness 5, you got it.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
#15 - 2012-08-15 10:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Syler Puuntai
Florestan Bronstein wrote:

I generally agree that more fine-grained permissions for POS access (and a UI overhaul) would be nice but I don't see how this applies to the issue of ME research.

I joined a research alliance (NER) a few years ago to get some ME research done (same issue as OP) and as far as I am aware I did at no point have the ability to cause any damage to other people's research jobs or the POS setup.


If my memory serves me right NER was built specifically for research. Anyone who joins generally does so in a alt corp to avoid the need to provide corp roles within the POS owning corporation. So yes you didn't have the ability to mess with anything, though the loopholes needed to achieve that is what is wrong with the system.
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-08-15 14:30:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Fett
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Yay, Studies (TM) show that people with a life few spare time have issues to play EVE The Right And Only Way developing their industrialistic interests to the maximum. EVE is a serious game that requires taking it as a second job some amount of dedication and finding a bunch of similarly thinking jobless jerks interested players to live long and prosper ingame.


With such a negative outlook on EVE one can't help but wonder why you play it. There are plenty of 'casual' players in very 'serious' alliances/corps. One does not need to play every day for hours at a time to be accepted into a real corp. Every corp I have had an interaction with in EVE has had the same mantra, 'real life comes first', so I don't get where this whole idea you need to live in New Eden to get accepted to any serious corp comes from. You may find your inability to get into a serious corp has less to do with the lack of time you have to play and more to do with your lack of skills and personality.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-08-15 14:34:30 UTC
Punctuation is your friend. Or ... would be.
Medarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-08-15 14:36:43 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?


Use an assembly line that is currently being used and just wait your turn.
Join a corporation that has POSs / Outpost (latter requires them having Sovereignty somewhere) with ME assembly lines.
Create your own one man corporate and one-man the management and logistics behind a POS just so that you can have your private research assembly lines.

Honestly, I'd recommend you join a player run corporation of like minded people. Studies show that's how people stay longer with the game and we get more money the best way of creating an efficient production chain.



Bad dev is BAD... Marketing just called they want a word with you!
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#19 - 2012-08-15 15:00:09 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Captain Robby wrote:
i wish to make isk and do it in the most enjoyable way possible that i feel is enjoyable to me anyway but theres a snag there i like to make things and farm for the mats to make those things but there seems to be a problem there when i want to do ME on blueprints every factory is taken what do i do?


Use an assembly line that is currently being used and just wait your turn.
Join a corporation that has POSs / Outpost (latter requires them having Sovereignty somewhere) with ME assembly lines.
Create your own one man corporate and one-man the management and logistics behind a POS just so that you can have your private research assembly lines.

Honestly, I'd recommend you join a player run corporation of like minded people. Studies show that's how people stay longer with the game and we get more money the best way of creating an efficient production chain.


Confirming this terrible game is a lot more fun when you play it with other people. Smile

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#20 - 2012-08-15 15:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Syler Puuntai wrote:
Florestan Bronstein wrote:

I generally agree that more fine-grained permissions for POS access (and a UI overhaul) would be nice but I don't see how this applies to the issue of ME research.

I joined a research alliance (NER) a few years ago to get some ME research done (same issue as OP) and as far as I am aware I did at no point have the ability to cause any damage to other people's research jobs or the POS setup.


If my memory serves me right NER was built specifically for research. Anyone who joins generally does so in a alt corp to avoid the need to provide corp roles within the POS owning corporation. So yes you didn't have the ability to mess with anything, though the loopholes needed to achieve that is what is wrong with the system.


It's not the only model.

On one of my corps it's now almost 3 years I run my own BPO copy / ME / PE / invention service and nobody had ever had to join it or train a research alt to join it.

A character of mine takes the BPO directly from the Customer station, brings it over, the BPO is researched and then ferried back. Of course I only do that for 2 weeks+ worth of research jobs but it's easy to find BPs needing more than that.

Ofc there's always a problem with trust but it's not an issue for me since I am well known to my Clients, I also do 3rd party service, collateral holding and so on. There's even the choice for the Customer to have me directly buy the BPO and research it for him and then carry it to his home. Can't really get easier than that.

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