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Wanted? Corp/Alliance logo T-Shirts
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#1 - 2012-08-15 04:28:35 UTC
I was making another post elsewhere, (link it in a minute, and it should be taken into consideration), and thought of this shortly after while taking a smakoe break and having a beer on my porch.

It's the third one in an hour, so take this all with a grain of salt. :)

..anyway, I was thinking: wouldn't it be cool if we could have T-Shirts and Jackets with our Corp logo or some Slogan on them, or an Alliance logo like the ones we have already submitted for our Alliances, and it could work the same way.

Yeah, we would pay for the priviledge, but it would be a one-time deal and then we would have it. Just a little expense to make our Alliances or Corps a little cooler.

It would work the same way as submitting an Alliance logo, (and why shouldn't we have them for Corps too), in that we'd get somebody to do up a image ofr us or do it ourselves then submit it to CCP along with a request form. Provided the Logo and/or Slogan was approved, CCP would bill us through our account management page if approved and notify, or notify us that it was not approved and why.

Keep this out of the game as it should be--given my recent enlightenmen-- and the need to get CCP to approve and review any and all applications of course.

So it's essentially like submitting an Alliance logo request along with submission of artwork for approval, but with a fee required, and for that, (provided the design is approved), you get the requested image applied to either a T-shirt or a jacket of your choice, (in one location or another), and a Blueprint Original with which you can print off any desired number of T-Shirts or Jackets with that logo that you want. Unlimited and long term use of the design for you and your Alliance or Corporation for all your members.

So, I was thinking, a simple design is simple. If the design is already approved, (being an Alliance logo already in use), it's really simple. Just apply the design to the article of clothing and code a BPO and hand it over. Really easy.

Now to make it even more simple and direct, any design could only be applied in a specific fashion to an article of clothing, and those articles would be limited.

Obviously, we don't want to be paying a stupid fortune for this, even if we hand them out to 50K people, it should be inexpensive given it could be 50K or 500, or even 2 people that eventually benefit from that specific implementation of design. The number is irrelevent given that implementation is the only step which truly needs to be accounted for. Just as with Alliance logo submission: Once it's done, it's done.

So what we do is make it very specific. Slogan applies to T-Shirt, Corp or Alliance Logo applies to T-Shirt or Jacket in a specific location or multiple locations as befits the article of clothing. An Alliance Logo or Corp logo can be applied to a T-Shirt that has a slogan, on the sleeve or whatever.

Slogans can only be placed on the front of a T-Shirt, (nobody ever really looks at the back anyway, or generally sees it with exception to a few avatar portraits), and the border of the Logo or Slogan must be a Neutral color. If a logo is not provided with a Neutral border on submission, one will be applied for you.

"Pandemic Legion Rules!!" in a grafitti sort of spray paint text bordered in grey would be kind of cool wouldn't it? Throw a Pandemic Legion Logo on the left sleeve with the same border on a T-Shirt of any color and you're awesome! Just an example of course; never had anything to do with PL, and no idea who they all are really. :)

The point of the Neutral border is that the Blueprint only applies the logo to the article of clothing, and doesn't define the color you choose for that particular print. It could be any color or combination of colors available for that particular article of clothing; whether it be a dress shirt, T-Shirt, tank top, (no logos on sleeves there obviously, so another slogan or frontal logo shirt), or one of the jackets available. Maybe later, (if they make Incarna real), we'll be able to get logos and/or slogans on the back of vests, but not for this particualr time.

..more, next post.
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2 - 2012-08-15 04:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
So, to make it fairly clear how my idea applies in the game, it basically boils down to this:

~ Make the submission and request with the image, (or images), desired as you would for an Alliance logo submission, or make your request and provide valid payment for an approved Alliance logo to be added to a T-shirt, tank top, or Jacket of an approved design.

~ If the item is direct and immediate, (approved Alliance logo), wait until submission and payment process and the Blueprint becomes available in your redeemable gifts. *Allow 6-8 weeks for recovery.

~ If the logo or submission requires approval and review, expect to pay more and have to wait for the approval process, which could take 2-3 weeks not-withstanding, before being required to make payment before the request is processed. Once processed, expect 6-8 weeks for delivery.

~ Print your desired number of BPOs in the color or color combination of your choosing.

~ Give them away or sell them to members for a small amount of ISK to compensate you for the service if needed. Shouldn't be much; 50 million would be significant yet affordable. One stipulation should be that only current members can receive them, and they should be Corporation and/or Alliance specific.

So I'm thinking $10 for a jacket BPO with a pre-approved Alliance logo on it, and maybe $20-30 for a Shirt with a Slogan or Jacket with a Corporation logo on it, or some combination thereof. Make it a Slogan and a Logo and add something for that. So essentially, each design that requires approval costs you something, and applications costs you something more. Without the need for approval it's a very basic cost for application.

This only works if application is really simple, and I'm thinking V3 here and the logo placements on ship hulls and such. If the shirts and jackets are made this way, it should be a fairly simple step to imprint them with a design and make it available to the players.

Add a small step to the Blueprint process where you select the color or color combination based on the design and it's relatively simple after that I think.

The other consideration is that the printing, (manufacturing time), should be very short with a maximum run of around 500. I'd give it an optimum manufacturing time of 1 minute per run personally, but a little longer shouldn't hurt.

Also, it should require some very basic materials to manufacture. Nothing serious as we're talking small, simple items here, but something. PI makes at lest one material that could be practical to use here.

..and, the link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1798256#post1798256

This is important because of what I've learned about micro transactions recently based om my experience, (however limited), with them. What I'm saying is it shouldn't be a micro transaction, but rather, a service provided by CCP as an extension of the service they provide for Alliance logo submission.

What I don't believe is that Alliance logo submission should ever require a transaction involving money, but for this purpose, (an extension on that service that applies to more than just that particular application), money is okay provided it remains outside of the realm of micro transactions.

Yes, I said it remains outside of the realm of micro transactions. It's a service provided by CCP, (within the scope of this thread anyway, with regard to the intent of this thread at least), that occurs outside of game and within your account management page and works withion the scope of the Alliance logo submission request form and submission method.

As such, it is not a micro-transaction. It's simply a service and shouldn't affect your gameplay in any way, aside from providing you with an endless supply of cool looking T-shirts perhaps.

This is a poll. Sign or don't sign; let the community decide. After that, it's ultimately up to CCP to determine if it's doable, worth it, or whatever.

It's just an idea, and I'm sobering up since I began typing this. :)
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Lavitakus Bromier
WTF Bunnies
#3 - 2012-08-15 05:57:56 UTC
RvB has already don't this and is selling corps tshirts. It is a player driven community
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-08-15 06:49:46 UTC
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
RvB has already don't this and is selling corps tshirts. It is a player driven community

He's talking about clothing for your character to wear in Captain's Quarters, not real-world clothing.

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