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TheNotYou
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-08-14 11:28:37 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:


I'm not whining about being griefed. That **** was nothing, I lost about 2mi there. What I am saying is that players who do that sort of thing have no right no whine about complex mechanics simply because they don't deserve a well tought mechanic.
Your game mechanic is all wrapped up in rubber so you don't pierce your own eyes on it. Game companies don't dumb stuff down because players are getting smarter you know?


But your reason why "they don't deserve it" is severely flawed. Acting like a jerk in EVE is common practice.


There's a difference between acting like a jerk and making it your modus operandi.
Scott PiIgrim
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-08-14 11:35:54 UTC
Serves you rigth for beeing an idiot and not defending your self. Roll Wich system did you say you were in?
TheNotYou
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-08-14 11:41:29 UTC
Scott PiIgrim wrote:
Serves you rigth for beeing an idiot and not defending your self. Roll Wich system did you say you were in?

I think it happened in the Solar system. Thanks for your sympathy.
Generals4
#44 - 2012-08-14 11:43:52 UTC
TheNotYou wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:


I'm not whining about being griefed. That **** was nothing, I lost about 2mi there. What I am saying is that players who do that sort of thing have no right no whine about complex mechanics simply because they don't deserve a well tought mechanic.
Your game mechanic is all wrapped up in rubber so you don't pierce your own eyes on it. Game companies don't dumb stuff down because players are getting smarter you know?


But your reason why "they don't deserve it" is severely flawed. Acting like a jerk in EVE is common practice.


There's a difference between acting like a jerk and making it your modus operandi.


Right, because the vaste majority of FW players shoot friendly's when they are being asked not to leech from the button.

It's such a common occurance the militia chat is flooded by complaints about such behavior.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
TheNotYou
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-08-14 12:09:14 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:


I'm not whining about being griefed. That **** was nothing, I lost about 2mi there. What I am saying is that players who do that sort of thing have no right no whine about complex mechanics simply because they don't deserve a well tought mechanic.
Your game mechanic is all wrapped up in rubber so you don't pierce your own eyes on it. Game companies don't dumb stuff down because players are getting smarter you know?


But your reason why "they don't deserve it" is severely flawed. Acting like a jerk in EVE is common practice.


There's a difference between acting like a jerk and making it your modus operandi.


Right, because the vaste majority of FW players shoot friendly's when they are being asked not to leech from the button.

It's such a common occurance the militia chat is flooded by complaints about such behavior.


If it was indeed an exception people from Minmatar militia would jump in to defend me. This thread proves my theory.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-08-14 12:47:31 UTC
Why would they defend you, there is a thousand more useless plexwhores like you... The militia doesn't want you. I think thats one thing both the amarr and minmatar agree on. Make fw plexes impossible for alts like you.

Anyway next time I see you I will kill you again.

Just for laughs.
Generals4
#47 - 2012-08-14 12:50:45 UTC
TheNotYou wrote:

If it was indeed an exception people from Minmatar militia would jump in to defend me. This thread proves my theory.


Yes because a post which basically bashes FW truly inspires sympathy.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
TheNotYou
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-08-14 13:10:13 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Why would they defend you, there is a thousand more useless plexwhores like you... The militia doesn't want you. I think thats one thing both the amarr and minmatar agree on. Make fw plexes impossible for alts like you.

Anyway next time I see you I will kill you again.

Just for laughs.

The km proves you wrong.
Check my fit. One offlined stab and in a shield buff, gunned fit.
Check my cargo. Warp disruptor, sensor booster and boosting script. Your friendly Slasher fleet tackler? Not anymore really.
Read again the first paragraph from my OP.

Now YOU are most probably an Amarr alt.
I was trying to lure this guy out of the system just before you came in. It's in the km too.
You saw the complex was about to complete and decided to cash in some easy LP.
Log Minmatar alt and kill a noob - profit.

Next time you get ganked maybe it's my alt. Just for laughs.
TheNotYou
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-08-14 13:11:45 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:

If it was indeed an exception people from Minmatar militia would jump in to defend me. This thread proves my theory.


Yes because a post which basically bashes FW truly inspires sympathy.

Broken mechanic is broken. I wasn't expecting sympathy. I was expecting allegiance.
Generals4
#50 - 2012-08-14 14:08:54 UTC
TheNotYou wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:

If it was indeed an exception people from Minmatar militia would jump in to defend me. This thread proves my theory.


Yes because a post which basically bashes FW truly inspires sympathy.

Broken mechanic is broken. I wasn't expecting sympathy. I was expecting allegiance.


Really? Would you really expect Militia members to agree/band with you after you explicitly said they deserve broken mechanics? You can't just insult people and expect their allegiance.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
TheNotYou
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-08-14 14:26:11 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:

If it was indeed an exception people from Minmatar militia would jump in to defend me. This thread proves my theory.


Yes because a post which basically bashes FW truly inspires sympathy.

Broken mechanic is broken. I wasn't expecting sympathy. I was expecting allegiance.


Really? Would you really expect Militia members to agree/band with you after you explicitly said they deserve broken mechanics? You can't just insult people and expect their allegiance.


No dude, they deserve a broken mechanic because they can't band with people from their own militia.
What I was doing was to use the only mechanic available to conquer territory and got blown up by a faction mate because of it.

If that was an exception, people could disagree with me about deserving it, but would defend me on being shot by a jerk.
Instead I was called a liar and a noob, even with a KM proving it wrong.
So you have to agree with me that those people indeed deserve it.

They can't play a cool game because they can't play the game in a cool way.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#52 - 2012-08-14 15:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
TheNotYou wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
At first I sympathized with you, because I've experienced all sorts of dickery while plexing.

But then I saw that your fit had a warp core stab and decided that you're a douchebag after all.

Watch my cargohold closely on that km. A plex farmer carries a sebo and a disruptor? I think not.


1) The Warp Scramblers and other junk that you looted from wrecks aren't going to do you any good in your cargohold.
2) Especially since you can't dock in Amarr systems to fit it.
3) Not only are you a terrible stupid noob
4) But you are a terrible liar.


Yeah, you can loot sensor boosting scripts from wrecks. I told you to watch it closely.
Now stfu. ******* troll.


You realize that when ships explode, they leave behind wrecks that can be looted, and that these wrecks may contain many things depending on how the ship was fit - including Warp Disruptors and Scan Resolution Scripts, right? You also realize that a Warp Scrambler in your cargo cannot be used against other players until you fit it, thus not proving anything except that you're capable of making really bad arguments. Considering what you actually had fit at the time was a Warp Stabilizer and not one but three shield mods, nobody is going to take your side, and nobody is going to believe the **** spewing out of your noob mouth.

Terrible liar is terrible and his name is TheNotYou.

3/10 for the troll because you had me going for a second.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
TheNotYou
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-08-14 15:36:24 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

You realize that when ships explode, they leave behind wrecks that can be looted, and that these wrecks may contain many things depending on how the ship was fit - including Warp Disruptors and Scan Resolution Scripts, right? You also realize that a Warp Scrambler in your cargo cannot be used against other players until you fit it, thus not proving anything except that you're capable of making really bad arguments. Considering what you actually had fit at the time was a Warp Stabilizer and not one but three shield mods, nobody is going to take your side, and nobody is going to believe the **** spewing out of your noob mouth.

Terrible liar is terrible and his name is TheNotYou.

3/10 for the troll because you had me going for a second.


Why would I fit a scrambler to do a complex?
2 week toon solo PvP Slasher? Not likely. That in my cargo was my fleet fit.
The stab was to survive any gate camp so I could jump to a Minmatar system an change it.
As I mentioned before, it was offline, but unfortunelly there's no way for me to prove it.

This toon isn't a plex farmer and that's what the km proves. If there's a way to check that through API I would gladly send it to someone who isn't a forum troll. Like I said before, my LP count is minimal. What I was doing was to play the FW game.

By the way you talk like a baby. And your name sounds like it to.
I **** on your ratings.
Wenron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-08-14 15:41:29 UTC
TheNotYou wrote:


No dude, they deserve a broken mechanic because they can't band with people from their own militia.
What I was doing was to use the only mechanic available to conquer territory and got blown up by a faction mate because of it.

If that was an exception, people could disagree with me about deserving it, but would defend me on being shot by a jerk.
Instead I was called a liar and a noob, even with a KM proving it wrong.
So you have to agree with me that those people indeed deserve it.

They can't play a cool game because they can't play the game in a cool way.



Honestly, you keep acting like you did nothing wrong, which is not entirely true. A lot of the basis of your argument and the basis for your lossmail is that you were not willing to share a plex.

I am not sure how many times it needs to be reiterated; however, PLEXES ARE NOT THE SOLE PROPERTY OF THE PERSON SPINNING THE BUTTON FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME.

It is a game mechanic that is working as intended. If you want to be crappy and not share, that is fine. Don't expect sympathy when someone takes exception to the attitude and awoxes you. Both you and the aggressor suffer consequences. A standing hit for a ship. Fair trade. Learn from it.

Would I have shot you? No, but everyone is different. Would I have left the plex? No. If you are all for the team and allegiance you can get over the concept that a plex is all yours because you spent the time on the button.
Generals4
#55 - 2012-08-14 15:45:11 UTC
Wenron wrote:


I am not sure how many times it needs to be reiterated; however, PLEXES ARE NOT THE SOLE PROPERTY OF THE PERSON SPINNING THE BUTTON FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME.


Actually he got shot for asking the guy to leave the button. It's like asking an ally not to salvage all those wrecks you have created and are planning on salvaging, technically salvaging is free game yet i think we'd all see it as normal to ask an ally not to ninja salvage. Now if he would have been threatening that guy than yeah you would be right. However if i'd get in someone's plex and he kindly ask me to leave it i'd do it. Why? Because i'm not a jerk. If you know that someone is capable of capping a plex and doesn't need help the only reason you'd join him is to leech the time he has spent in it. That's bad behavior right there.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Wenron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-08-14 15:45:14 UTC
TheNotYou wrote:
[quote=Xuixien]

Why would I fit a scrambler to do a complex?
2 week toon solo PvP Slasher? Not likely. That in my cargo was my fleet fit.
The stab was to survive any gate camp so I could jump to a Minmatar system an change it.
As I mentioned before, it was offline, but unfortunelly there's no way for me to prove it.




You would fit a scrambler because FW has the potential for PVP at all times.

You are in a fast frigate. There are no bubbles in lowsec. You really don't need stabs to get out of a gate camp. Train your navigation skills.
TheNotYou
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-08-14 15:48:33 UTC
Wenron wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:
[quote=Xuixien]

Why would I fit a scrambler to do a complex?
2 week toon solo PvP Slasher? Not likely. That in my cargo was my fleet fit.
The stab was to survive any gate camp so I could jump to a Minmatar system an change it.
As I mentioned before, it was offline, but unfortunelly there's no way for me to prove it.




You would fit a scrambler because FW has the potential for PVP at all times.

You are in a fast frigate. There are no bubbles in lowsec. You really don't need stabs to get out of a gate camp. Train your navigation skills.

The guy is implying you can use a stab to get out of a bubble and I'm the noob. This thread is getting funny.
Wenron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-08-14 15:49:10 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Wenron wrote:


I am not sure how many times it needs to be reiterated; however, PLEXES ARE NOT THE SOLE PROPERTY OF THE PERSON SPINNING THE BUTTON FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME.


Actually he got shot for asking the guy to leave the button. It's like asking an ally not to salvage all those wrecks you have created and are planning on salvaging, technically salvaging is free game yet i think we'd all see it as normal to ask an ally not to ninja salvage. Now if he would have been threatening that guy than yeah you would be right. However if i'd get in someone's plex and he kindly ask me to leave it i'd do it. Why? Because i'm not a jerk. If you know that someone is capable of capping a plex and doesn't need help the only reason you'd join him is to leech the time he has spent in it. That's bad behavior right there.



I don't disagree with you.

Fundamentally you can't expect someone to leave a plex and get butthurt if they don't. Is it crappy to jump on a button with 10 seconds left? Surely. Is it against game mechanics? No. One could also argue it is equally crappy to ask someone to leave.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#59 - 2012-08-14 15:49:50 UTC
TheNotYou wrote:
Why would I fit a scrambler to do a complex?
2 week toon solo PvP Slasher? Not likely. That in my cargo was my fleet fit.
The stab was to survive any gate camp so I could jump to a Minmatar system an change it.
As I mentioned before, it was offline, but unfortunelly there's no way for me to prove it.

This toon isn't a plex farmer and that's what the km proves. If there's a way to check that through API I would gladly send it to someone who isn't a forum troll. Like I said before, my LP count is minimal. What I was doing was to play the FW game.

By the way you talk like a baby. And your name sounds like it to.
I **** on your ratings.


A few things here -

1) Exactly: Why would a farmer fit a scrambler? They don't need it and it takes up a mid-slot better used for a shield rigs (cough-THREEOFTHEM-cough)
2) 1 stab isn't going to get you past any gatecamp.
3) You are a plex farmer and that is precisely what the killmail proves.
4) Having junk in your cargo hold doesn't prove anything other than you picked up some junk from wrecks.
5) You are terrible at EVE and should feel terrible.
6) You are a bad liar.
7) Biomass yourself now.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Wenron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-08-14 15:51:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Wenron
TheNotYou wrote:
Wenron wrote:
TheNotYou wrote:
[quote=Xuixien]

Why would I fit a scrambler to do a complex?
2 week toon solo PvP Slasher? Not likely. That in my cargo was my fleet fit.
The stab was to survive any gate camp so I could jump to a Minmatar system an change it.
As I mentioned before, it was offline, but unfortunelly there's no way for me to prove it.




You would fit a scrambler because FW has the potential for PVP at all times.

You are in a fast frigate. There are no bubbles in lowsec. You really don't need stabs to get out of a gate camp. Train your navigation skills.

The guy is implying you can use a stab to get out of a bubble and I'm the noob. This thread is getting funny.


I admit I never lived in 0.0. I never bothered to learn mechanics. In any event I was trying to give you advice for FW. I also didn't imply that you were a noob.

EDIT: 5/10.