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New player long term goal help

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Capt Amer'ca
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-12 21:10:55 UTC
Hello all,
I am new to EVE but not MMOs.I attempted Eve twice before and decided to finally subscribe about a week ago. Right now I am an explorer witht the current goal of flying the buzzard.
I have a neural remap maxing out intelligence and memory and use evemon for my in-game goals.
I enjoy playing the stealth, high dps burst classes like rogues.
My question for the veteran gamers is this;
What Ships, weapons and skills should I be focusing on in order to reach my goal efficiently?

For example:
I see someone mining in a low security, low population area. I unstealth, unload with everything I got and sift thru the wreckage for fat lewts.

I am currently in a highsec industry corp, just got accepted today, but I am looking for a PVP oriented, mature, new player friendly corp so I can run with the pack. I been having problems finding one because my skill
points are too low and since my play time is limited and did not feel like grinding my first few hundred millions, I bought PLEX and sold it in the market and have a ton of cash. So here is a brand new toon with tons of cash "pretending" to be new. Most corps think I am a spy.

Thank you for your input and I hope this is the right forum for this topic.
Jantunen the Infernal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-12 21:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jantunen the Infernal
A stealth bomber such as the Manticore would probably fit you perfectly. Stealth bomber fleets basically fly up to an unsuspecting enemy, then decloak and nuke them to hell before they can react. Sort of like a rogue, but only in space. They're also pretty cheap, so you don't have to worry about losing your life savings even if you get popped in one. Just remember to get your support and basic combat skills up before starting to specialize in more advanced ships.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-08-13 04:04:24 UTC
Recon ships are the bigger version of the Covert Ops/Stealth Bomber frigates.
Eg the Curse, or the Arazu are the cruiser sized "rogue like" ships.
Training for these will offer you a midterm goal, but still stay focused within your remit of a stealth playstyle.



As for the corp thing ....


Why apply to join/accept an invite from an Industry based corp when your intention is to look for a more pvp focus group ?
It just reflects badly on your decision making process.
mkint
#4 - 2012-08-13 04:33:44 UTC
EVE is not like other MMO's. The only thing it really has in common with other MMO's is the MMO part. It's best to just forget what you think you know.

Long term goals that matter in EVE are more about where you want to be socially. You can reach your "stealthy" whatever goal in 2 weeks. Since skill training is just a matter of time, not a matter of effort, it's a weak goal. And cloaky PVP is a very specialized tactic, useful in very specific situations.

Worry first about being useful. I'd always advise my industrial alliance-mates to be able to at least fly a T1 RR-BS (about 2 weeks training time) because it would let them contribute to POS bashes and RRBS fleets are easy for noobs to fly with. If you can't be useful in a non-specialized fleet, you won't know what you're doing in a specialized fleet. You'd be making yourself valuable to your corp and alliance long term by having a solid foundation. Let your FC decide when he wants to do some specialized fleets, because they won't be so common you can neglect everything else. This isn't like other MMOs.

Instead, work on social goals. You want PVP, but are having a tough time getting into a PVP corp? Try FW. Prove your value and trustworthiness there, and you should be able to pick up a good corp. RvB accepts rookies and gets them involved in PVP right away. Most nullbear mega-alliances have a rookie training program (just be sure to avoid scams, as they definitely exist, even scamming $, even in the mega-alliances.) The number of corps out there is mind boggling. At least one of them will be a good match for you.

If you want a long term goal, consider more than just your skills. Consider what you want to learn to do, and what assets you will accumulate. What will you actually accomplish? Get 100 solo kills? Get on a capital killmail? FC a fleet that kills a capital? These are things that take preparation and dedication, not just skillpoints. The goals you choose matter, and it matters even more that the people you are with share your goals.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Capt Amer'ca
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-08-14 02:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Amer'ca
Thank you all for taking time to respond. There were a lot of good points raised and great information given. You could say joining the industry corp while being a pvp focused character was a beginner mistake.
In regards to making myself an asset, that is definitively a long term goal of mine but frankly, I have very little grasp of ship synergy and combat mechanics. I do not want to become an asset fulfilling a role I do not enjoy. Having fun and being entertained is why I play.
As far as my choice to be a stealth bomber/recon pilot, that and exploration is the aspect of the game I currently enjoy the most. I'm sure things will change in the future but for now, its the reason I shell out the subscription fee.
Also, does this training order make sense: Heron,Buzzard,Caracal,Manticore, Rook.
Heron is what I am using now to find sites for exploration. Then moving on to the Buzzard for the same thing plus support pvp excursions by advance scouting.
Caracal for clearing out sites found by Buzzard.
Maticore for ganking/fun ship
Rook as "end game" goal
Thanks in advance.
mkint
#6 - 2012-08-14 03:15:15 UTC
Capt Amer'ca wrote:
Thank you all for taking time to respond. There were a lot of good points raised and great information given. You could say joining the industry corp while being a pvp focused character was a beginner mistake.
In regards to making myself an asset, that is definitively a long term goal of mine but frankly, I have very little grasp of ship synergy and combat mechanics. I do not want to become an asset fulfilling a role I do not enjoy. Having fun and being entertained is why I play.
As far as my choice to be a stealth bomber/recon pilot, that and exploration is the aspect of the game I currently enjoy the most. I'm sure things will change in the future but for now, its the reason I shell out the subscription fee.
Also, does this training order make sense: Heron,Buzzard,Caracal,Manticore, Rook.
Heron is what I am using now to find sites for exploration. Then moving on to the Buzzard for the same thing plus support pvp excursions by advance scouting.
Caracal for clearing out sites found by Buzzard.
Maticore for ganking/fun ship
Rook as "end game" goal
Thanks in advance.

That works, sure. The pragmatic approach is to do what will finance your adventures. You may want to prioritize the caracal above the T2 frigs, since you'd need something that can clear out sites regardless how you find them.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#7 - 2012-08-14 08:32:39 UTC
Or you could take an advantage of being able to learn about industry from you current corp and by learning I mean to learn how you to make money out of it and not just sitting there sucking rocks. Smile
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-08-14 10:05:37 UTC
mkint wrote:
That works, sure. The pragmatic approach is to do what will finance your adventures. You may want to prioritize the caracal above the T2 frigs, since you'd need something that can clear out sites regardless how you find them.


This .. Be prepared to spend a while in the caracal, but it's an excellent platform for missions/anomalys, though you may struggle to make full use of it's 90km missile range in most missions as the warp in points seem to be generally structured for much shorter ranged combat.

Baneken wrote:
Or you could take an advantage of being able to learn about industry from you current corp and by learning I mean to learn how you to make money out of it and not just sitting there sucking rocks. Smile


But ... but .... but ....
Ze rocks, they taste so nice.
Haethorn
I've Fixed it
#9 - 2012-08-14 10:23:39 UTC
As has been said above, the Stealth Bomber (Manticore in your case) is right up your alley.

The guys with the best reputation for using them is Dirt Nap Squad (DNS). DNS positive attitude toward the newbie is exemplary. They are not alone in this but they also focus heavily on Stealth Bombers as part of a fleet style known as Black Ops. They are a perfect fit for you.

If you want to continue with Exploration, getting into a wormhole corporation is compatable with your goals generally. Stealth Bombers are not particularly favoured in wormholes though. You can't PvE with them at all, nor can you use them to gank anyone running a combat site in a wormhole, you decloak & the sleepers will switch targets to you. But exploration & scouting are essential in w-space. We have used stealth bombers killing noctis's after a site is finished and get a pack together who are experienced and some impressive things can be done with you launching bombs as a group (so I hear).

My understanding is, Eve University has open recruitment and they have a wormhole division.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#10 - 2012-08-14 10:35:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Buzzard is still one of my favorites. One rigged for exploration, one for scanning/probing, and one as a courier, none so great for blowing up player ships hehe. I'd say if you really like cov-ops, train them all. Including the Crane, Tengu, Falcon, among the others mentioned. You'll never be broke... well you'll be able to make it back fast at least haha

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Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-08-14 14:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyric Lahnder
Imagine this.

Your a rogue, you go sneaky sneaky. You sneak up behind an unsuspecting victim, you pull something out of your pocket. But instead of a knife its something that opens a portal. All your rogue friend leap out of the portal all at once and you gang **** the unsuspecting victim.

What I have just described to you is what is commonly known as the black ops drop in eve. A person preferably in an arazu or lachesis, points a target and pops a covert cyno. Several systems away a black ops battleship opens a jump portal and every one carrying a cov ops cloak is instantly transported to the target where you unleash hell.

Alot more fun then sneaky sneaky stabby stabby solo right? It is. If your still interested in doing pvp you should apply noir academy, where you can get to participate in activities like this and more.

Your scanning skills will not be wasted as you can use them to probe out safespots and ships as well as sigs.

The rocks may be tasty... But so is pod goo.Twisted

Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.com I Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.

Capt Amer'ca
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-08-18 02:12:52 UTC
Thanks for all the help. Right now I am training for the Caracal. My long term goal is still the Buzzard. I will be using that one for Exploration, probing, scouting, and as a low-volume, high-value low/null sec courier. By then, I'm sure I'll have a better understanding of the game and my goals will change. Thanks for the input.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#13 - 2012-08-18 11:46:02 UTC
Capt Amer'ca wrote:
Hello all,

I am currently in a highsec industry corp, just got accepted today, but I am looking for a PVP oriented, mature, new player friendly corp so I can run with the pack.

Thank you for your input and I hope this is the right forum for this topic.


Awox the indy corp during a mining op. Just make sure you do a little reading because if they're all in skiffs you may not be as stealthy as ya think.

A ship to use for this? Well, if it's all just Orcas and barges use something with plenty of mid slots to fit multiple warp disruptors and enough EHP to survive some drone aggro. Go for a ride to low sec and find some shady types, let them know what you are going to do and ask someone who looks reasonable if they want to scoop and loot with an alt or something because you're new and have no contacts for such things.....I'd do it. I wouldn't trust ya as far as I could throw ya but it's no sweat off my back to come for potential laughs and maybe a decent loot split.
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-18 13:36:53 UTC
Lyric Lahnder wrote:
Imagine this.

Your a rogue, you go sneaky sneaky. You sneak up behind an unsuspecting victim, you pull something out of your pocket. But instead of a knife its something that opens a portal. All your rogue friend leap out of the portal all at once and you gang **** the unsuspecting victim.

What I have just described to you is what is commonly known as the black ops drop in eve. A person preferably in an arazu or lachesis, points a target and pops a covert cyno. Several systems away a black ops battleship opens a jump portal and every one carrying a cov ops cloak is instantly transported to the target where you unleash hell.

Alot more fun then sneaky sneaky stabby stabby solo right? It is. If your still interested in doing pvp you should apply noir academy, where you can get to participate in activities like this and more.

Your scanning skills will not be wasted as you can use them to probe out safespots and ships as well as sigs.

The rocks may be tasty... But so is pod goo.Twisted


Bad advice is just bad advice. Blink j/k

I agree with some of the aforementioned posters. Flying an SB isn't a long-term goal -- it just seems that way when you're staring at your skill queue.

Solution: Find something fun that keeps your mind off your skills -- which includes some of the suggestions above. You might like NA. or RvB -- even though they don't have SB runs there are people who run them.

You could take the plunge and join null or a wormhole corp, be useful and learn scouting and all and people will love you. But, generally, in these situations you're a spai until proven otherwise and a scrub. It just depends on the group. I generally don't recommend it for new players -- there are exceptions though.

I'd take a look at the recruiting section and join the Pub_Chan for the groups you're interested in. Ask questions, be sociable and stuff -- see if you find a good fit.

Good Luck.