Ships & Modules

This.
Removing Slave set bonuses from capitals is long overdue, especially with how much they contribute to the shield/armour gap.

Interesting suggestions.

However, is it necessary to alter slaves as they relate to supercaps now? The 15 minute logoff will be gone. The slaved super/titan will no longer be hoping to hp=survive a logoff.

For those that suggested it, introducing a new shield slave equivalent presents a whole new set of balancing problems. What would the regen effect of a shield slave equivalent be? Might that not be op itself? It would certainly leapfrog Caldari shield buffers past Amarr armor buffers. These implants would affect all ships as well. It would upset the delicate if imperfect balance between shield and armor tanking that exists in the game for all ship classes.

I'm not conviced with the whole shield rr cpu cost being harsher than armor rr. I am not an eft whore so I won't throw numbers around. I'll just say anecdotally that my shield ships have rarely had cpu problems compared to the pg problems my armor ships regularly run into. Again, is it necessary to mess with this? What would the consequences be for all ship classes? Are the folks who complain about cpu costs experienced with pg costs on armor ships?

I agree with a rearrangement of the minmatar caps. I've always wondered why they aren't to Caldari caps analogous to the Amarr and Gallente slot distribution. There should be more focus on shield tank. The Nid has a same mid layout as the Thanny (6 low and 5 mid). That should probably be 5 low and 6 mid. Especially since the Hel is a shield tanker.

I think however that the Naglfar would operate better as a 4 high slot with 3 turret and no missile dread. Training up a Nag is already more skill intensive than other dreads due to split weapons. Noone else has to do this. I could again see a slot change to 5 low and 7 mid again to shield focus. If there is a problem still with capital missiles or 3 cap projectile turrets address these each individually, but don't continue to burden the Naglfar with split weapons. Having cruise, torps, lg arty, and lg ac already trained to 5 and tech II it does not affect me personally, but it should not be a burden for every minmatar dread aspirant.

As to changing Nid and Hel bonuses, I like that my Nid can rep better. I never saw carriers as a combat focused ship anyway. I do not perceive the changes as making them such either. They serve more a logistical role imo. The Hel on the other hand is the odd duck for a ship class that is meant to be used in a combat role. Something definitiely needs to be changed with its bonus.

As some other have already said, the Hel need to be balanced.
The ship should have more tank (EHp) than a nyx. Nyx bonus is for DPS, Hel bonus is for ... (? not used at all)
Hel as less EHP than Nyx, less DPS than Nyx. I'm not even speaking about the Wyvern or the "3x more EHP than Hel" Aeon.

I can understand it's hard to find a good bonus for the minmatar super carrier class. I've not much idea myself. But something must be done and not just a little fix.
Hel is rarely (if ever used) in fleet. There is a reason behind it. As an Hel owner I know I'll go down first since have same DPS as Aeon or Wyvern and weaker tank. All FC not too much dumb will know that removing the Hel is easier than other supercarrier and remove the same amount of DPS from field.
The Hel need a bonus so that this situation change to something more balanced.

Make it the only super carrier able to use 20 bombers, 20 fighters and still all drones (or just warfare and logistics drones).
Give it a bonus to shield recharge time or maybe give it the same bonus as wyvern ? So the Hel can at least have more EHP than a Nyx.

I was on the Test server a week or 2 ago and was using them in my Nag i was testing. Looks like it was a bug though that has since been fixed. Sorry

I always thought a Hel SC fleet could be awesome in it's spider tanking abilities, and as Aamrr said, a slight bump to 7.5% bonus would make it pretty good, a 2% per level of capacitor cost reduction per level would make it really good.

As for the slave set not affecting SCs... i think that like a SC it self, they are an "end game" prize and should go together. Expansions are about addin in content, and removing a Slave sets abilities from a SC would be a nerf too far.

^^^ What about the shield equivelent of the armor module that increases base armour amount by 8%?

A capital module, that fits in a low slot and requires capital amounts of PG, that increases the shields by 8-10%? Would be a lot easier to implement than a new implant set

triple post goddamn I'm awful these forums blow

The Naglfar will never get a third turret. For that would require the art team to redo the Naglfar's model to add another turret placing. Which is a lot of work apparently since it takes CCP's art team about a year from concept to end product to get one done.

During the projectile buff, there was also some changes done to the Naglfar, and one of the things that was asked for was. To remove the missiles part of Neglfar's weapons load out and add a third turret like all the other dreads. And that was a big "NO" from CCP because of all the work that would be need to make a new model.

So you are certainly not going to get a third turret. Which is fine by me who wants to be like all the other dreads anyways. A DPS or Alpha buff to compensate for having to train two capital weapon systems to fly the thing properly is probably what is really in order. So it will be paper thin at least you you be carrying a big stick and hitting things hard.

Naglfar should be on top of the Damage charts with a lead that makes the other dreads jealous.

Of course for having all that destructive power, Naglfar's will be the first to die in every large fleet fight.

I demand nano nidhoggur. Top speed with BS mwd to be around 1200m/s, align time 7s. This would put it inline with the other minmatar ships atm.

Oh no they'd have to make the naglfar even longer. It's a convenient excuse. If CCP is looking to change their ways they need to start making the changes that matter to eve instead of investing the majority in their company into games that we won't see to 2014, odds are. Missiles are garbage against supercaps, cutting it's damage hardcore

Also in a capfight you kill revelations first due to them being the best in lag, then the moros. That will and would never change

Or...we could just remove slave sets from the equation, and shield capitals could have the choice between getting more EHP (power diags) or having reasonable cap recharge (power relays).