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Advice on Crusader Solo-PVP fit
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Remissus Rinah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-12 02:05:21 UTC
Hey there! I'm looking to make a fit for the Crusader 'ceptor that will allow me to hunt around solo in FW space when my usual wingmen aren't available. Here's what I have been using so far:




  • Dual Light Pulse Laser II x4 (Scorch)

  • Warp Scrambler I
  • 1MN Microwarpdrive I

  • Overdrive Injector System II x2
  • Heat Sink II
  • Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

  • Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
  • Small Energy Burst Aerator I



...Yes, it is a very generic setup. What can I do to improve this as far as general usefulness while flying solo goes? I appreciate any and all input!

~ Remissus
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-08-12 04:42:24 UTC
named warp scram even meta 1 should be cheaper then meta 0.
maybe nanos instead of overdrives? but get someone who knows more on that.
Worpout
Quafe Racing
#3 - 2012-08-12 11:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Worpout
Use gatling pulses for better tracking, fit meta mwd and scram -_-, then use a cpu rig and try to fit another heat sink and change the last overdrive for a nanofiber.

Edit: Also, carry multifq as well, it give more tracking and since you have no range control whatsoever you cant dictate range.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#4 - 2012-08-12 11:31:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Solo with no web effectively means that with a MWD you don't get to decide what happens so instead I'd use an AB, also because it's still nicely fast on AB to begin with. Thing is ofcourse that each fit has its own scenario where it works and many others where it won't. Two mid slot ships really do have problems in that regard as they lack solutions to lots of scenarios.

Have a look at this:

[Crusader, PVP AB]
Damage Control II
200mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Worpout
Quafe Racing
#5 - 2012-08-12 11:50:19 UTC
You can solo with mwd + scram np's, it's nice for catching stuff in nullsec
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-08-13 01:11:01 UTC
Remissus Rinah wrote:
Hey there! I'm looking to make a fit for the Crusader 'ceptor that will allow me to hunt around solo in FW space when my usual wingmen aren't available. Here's what I have been using so far:




  • Dual Light Pulse Laser II x4 (Scorch)

  • Warp Scrambler I
  • 1MN Microwarpdrive I

  • Overdrive Injector System II x2
  • Heat Sink II
  • Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

  • Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
  • Small Energy Burst Aerator I



...Yes, it is a very generic setup. What can I do to improve this as far as general usefulness while flying solo goes? I appreciate any and all input!


No.

I'm back!
Remissus Rinah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-08-13 03:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Remissus Rinah
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Solo with no web effectively means that with a MWD you don't get to decide what happens so instead I'd use an AB, also because it's still nicely fast on AB to begin with. Thing is ofcourse that each fit has its own scenario where it works and many others where it won't. Two mid slot ships really do have problems in that regard as they lack solutions to lots of scenarios.

Have a look at this:

[Crusader, PVP AB]
Damage Control II
200mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I


Thanks so much for the help and fit advice guys! I'm really grateful!


Jude Lloyd wrote:
No.


This, however, was -not- helpful.

~ Remissus
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#8 - 2012-08-13 03:30:57 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:
No.


Agreed, this is what you can do to improve that setup.

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-08-13 07:25:40 UTC
Remissus Rinah wrote:

Jude Lloyd wrote:
No.


This, however, was -not- helpful.


Heh, yeah it was.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#10 - 2012-08-13 08:02:50 UTC
Other than the fit posted by vinius I would suggest using a different ship, Slicer would be a better suggestion for fighting in plexes in fw as it can enter the minor plexes (this will be where most of your targets as a frigate pilot will be).

If you are set on t2 frigs the Vengeance or malediction are better imo.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#11 - 2012-08-13 09:54:48 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
named warp scram even meta 1 should be cheaper then meta 0.
maybe nanos instead of overdrives? but get someone who knows more on that.


First part, fit meta 3/4 scram.

Second part go away.

Quote:
Use gatling pulses for better tracking, fit meta mwd and scram -_-, then use a cpu rig and try to fit another heat sink and change the last overdrive for a nanofiber.


WTF is it with people and fitting nano's/od's on ceptors.

@OP

I am gonna be blunt and serious for a second, you will be lucky to kill anything in it.

The clear picture is your lack of fitting knowledge is probably far better than your piloting which btw is pretty bad, meta 0 modules on a t2 ship says it all, af's are powerful as ****, the new t1 frigs sport more tanks, more dps, similiar speed and most have a scram and web meaning they can either kite in scram range or facemelt you leaivng you with zero chance of escaping.

If you REALLY want to kill stuff or have a chance, your best bet is an AB + scram rep fit sader with 3-5% implants and a **** load of piloting skill behind it.

Stick to t1
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-13 12:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: The VC's
OP.

The Sader's a great ship, but the thing with two mid slots is, it's very hard to pull off without good support skills. It's the same with the Punisher. They take motion prediction, sharpshooter, mechanic, hull upgrades, navigation skills and small pulse spec to L4 minimum. Minimum. In fact, most Amarr ships are a bit weak until you skill up. However, once you start getting your L5's they really begin to shine.

Stick with the Slicer for now, and buy a +5 sharpshooter implant. They're only 40 mill or so in Jita. Plus, pulse lasers have the worst tracking in their class. Get your motion prediction up asap.
Remissus Rinah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-08-13 20:03:30 UTC
I appreciate the blunt advice as well. I know I am still a noob at this, and will definitely heed the advice about sticking to a Slicer for now. No sense wasting any more of these T2 Interceptors until I have a better grasp of fittings.

~ Remissus
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#14 - 2012-08-13 21:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
Remissus Rinah wrote:
I appreciate the blunt advice as well. I know I am still a noob at this, and will definitely heed the advice about sticking to a Slicer for now. No sense wasting any more of these T2 Interceptors until I have a better grasp of fittings.


If the faster Amarr ships are you goal (Slicer, Sader and Malediction) then get a few executioners and condors setup and go pew with them.

These are great ships to get to know how to fly the faster frigs in pvp while you skill up. The also only cost approx 8-10 mil fully T2 fitted so make it very easy on the wallet. No need to fly expensive slicers if you really don't have the skill to utilise it properly.

Ninja edit: And for those who picked it up the condor is a caldari boat. But you can fly it like the malediction being a rocket frig so the skills work across both ships really well. Cool

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#15 - 2012-08-13 23:41:48 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Remissus Rinah wrote:
I appreciate the blunt advice as well. I know I am still a noob at this, and will definitely heed the advice about sticking to a Slicer for now. No sense wasting any more of these T2 Interceptors until I have a better grasp of fittings.


If the faster Amarr ships are you goal (Slicer, Sader and Malediction) then get a few executioners and condors setup and go pew with them.

These are great ships to get to know how to fly the faster frigs in pvp while you skill up. The also only cost approx 8-10 mil fully T2 fitted so make it very easy on the wallet. No need to fly expensive slicers if you really don't have the skill to utilise it properly.

Ninja edit: And for those who picked it up the condor is a caldari boat. But you can fly it like the malediction being a rocket frig so the skills work across both ships really well. Cool


Inquisitor can also be flown kinda like a Malediction

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#16 - 2012-08-14 01:15:41 UTC
True but the condor is a direct stepping stone for the Mal.

Can't wait to see what they do with the inquisitor and kestrel when they get updated.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-08-14 02:37:29 UTC
The answer to this thread is: Retribution.

Fit it for kiting, thank me later.

I'm back!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#18 - 2012-08-16 10:17:26 UTC
No Jude. The answer to this thread is Executioner. :swoon: You'll thank me later.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#19 - 2012-08-16 10:24:51 UTC
The slicer does everything better pretty much... just pay the extra for one.

The disadvantage is the cap use of the disruptor which doesnt come into play in most frigate fights, since they don't last very long.
Remissus Rinah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-08-18 06:43:07 UTC
Just kind of an update;

I went back to using the Slicer and researched fits for it, and I've found myself performing a lot better than before! Thanks to everyone who gave me advice, both needed harsh criticism and helpful tips alike- I've got a long way to go, but this has prompted me to learn and expand what I know about fitting.

~ Remissus