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Teiun Galentari
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-08-10 20:13:36 UTC
Hi All :)

Completely new to this game. Hadn't even heard of it until a few days ago lol.

Anyways I've done a bit of reading and from what I can gather the game is pretty much total RPG/do what you want type of thing. I guess what I'm getting at is if I detail below what I want from the game could someone let me know if it is even possible to achieve?

I'm kinda wanting to be some sort of mercenary, but not a bad guy. Kind of a hired gun for the government. I want to be involved at this in both PVP and PVE. I also don't want to be the the person who has the biggest gun to get by. I love technology and want to be like a drone, jamming, electronic warfare type. A lone wolf, a person who sculks in the shadows, stalks my prey and only strikes when needs be.

I also want to be a kind of scavenger as in once ive killed a NPC or player to scavenge whats left. Maybe rummage around old warzones and ship grave yards.

Lastly want to know if I can make money and well survive this way.

If this is possible I would really love some tips and help with how I can achieve the above. I will be eternally great full.

Oh and when I say I'm new I literally haven't even got my newb ship yet :D was wanting to plan everything out before I start.

Muchas Gracias :)
Hurricane Ivan
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-08-10 20:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hurricane Ivan
Sounds like recon ships will be right up your alley. (Advanced Cruisers/Recon)
Those ships are great solo ships. Covert Ops cloaking (you can warp cloaked), scanning down targets, great with modules that can nuetralize a target before they even know your there. They have low dmg gunnery wise, but have massive drone bays.
It's a fairly long training plan, about 3-4 months or so. But even the T1 versions of them are fairly potent and you can fly those in a week or so. They also have enough high slots to mount wreck salvaging equipment.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-08-10 20:59:24 UTC
Teiun Galentari wrote:
I'm kinda wanting to be some sort of mercenary, but not a bad guy. Kind of a hired gun for the government. I want to be involved at this in both PVP and PVE. I also don't want to be the the person who has the biggest gun to get by. I love technology and want to be like a drone, jamming, electronic warfare type. A lone wolf, a person who sculks in the shadows, stalks my prey and only strikes when needs be.
Yes you can but it doesn’t work well solo (doable, but not overly realistic). The type of activities you are talking about tend to lend themselves towards piracy more than merc work. A ship, like mentioned above, which does many of the things you are talking about is a pilgrim.

When you say both pvp and pve, it kinda goes without saying, at least in your starting career. You need to pve to afford pvp (usually).
Teiun Galentari wrote:
I also want to be a kind of scavenger as in once ive killed a NPC or player to scavenge whats left. Maybe rummage around old warzones and ship grave yards.

Yup, can even do it in a combat ship. Look into exploration and to answer your Q specifically, a salvager.
Teiun Galentari wrote:
L astly want to know if I can make money and well survive this way.


Yes you can. Look into the prilgrim, start with the arbitrator. Look into exploration and start doing it in high sec.

BEST ADVICE: find a player corp asap and don’t be afraid to move around until you find a good fit. You can always go it solo later but without a group to start with it always seems 150% harder than it should be

GL


I has all the eve inactivity

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-08-10 21:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Yeah... OP sounds like he'd be at home in a recon.

But let's run few a few things...
Teiun Galentari wrote:
I'm kinda wanting to be some sort of mercenary, but not a bad guy.

Welcome to EVE. Everyone is either a "bad guy" or "potential bad guy." Yourself included.

The reason for this is that pretty much everything in the game pits one player against another (the only exception to this is Mission Running). At some point you are going to ruin someone's day... either by blowing them up... denying them a kill... finding something first... grabbing loot before they do... or even undercutting their prices on the market (which forces the other player to narrow their profit margins).

Teiun Galentari wrote:
Kind of a hired gun for the government.

I'm going to out on a limb here and assume that by "government" you mean NPCs... right? You'll quickly find that NPC's in EVE don't affect you the way they do in other games. There are no "governments" in EVE outside of what players create themselves. Bounties on players and "merc" jobs are paid for by other players.

Teiun Galentari wrote:
I love technology and want to be like a drone, jamming, electronic warfare type. A lone wolf, a person who sculks in the shadows, stalks my prey and only strikes when needs be.

Sounds like you would like a Pilgrim or an Arazu. The both can use cloaks, stalk their prey, and employ debilitating ewar.

The other two cloaking Ewar ships would be the Falcon (arguably one of the most hated ships in the game) and Rapier.

The latter two tend to be more "gang-oriented" compared to the former two... which are slightly better operating alone (note: this does not mean that they are good solo ships, they do have some glaring weaknesses).

Also... being a "lone wolf" is certainly an acceptable style of play... but it gets boring for many people, very fast. It also requires a high degree of planning and player skill to pull off successfully... especially when you want to venture into 0.0 (aka: "outlaw", "zero-security", or "null-sec") space... which usually requires that you work under and learn from "professionals" for awhile.

Teiun Galentari wrote:
I also want to be a kind of scavenger as in once ive killed a NPC or player to scavenge whats left. Maybe rummage around old warzones and ship grave yards.

Player warzones and ship graveyards are more or less picked clean within an hour or less of a battle happening. This is not to say it isn't possible to pick through remains... but you usually have to be there right after something happens... and get out before people return.

For collecting NPC stuff... that's called "ratting" here. People earn incomes by going belt to belt to belt killing whatever they find. Or by finding "hidden" places in deep space using probes and farming NPCs. Or by finding wormholes, killing the NPCs in them (use caution, the NPC AIs are MUCH nastier in wormholes), and salvaging their wrecks.

Teiun Galentari wrote:
Lastly want to know if I can make money and well survive this way.

Anything is possible. You just have to make it work or find a way to make it easy for yourself.
Teiun Galentari
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-08-11 19:16:46 UTC
Wow thanks for the tips :)

Its a shame I cant be what I hoped to be, but oh well. Kinda knew it was asking abit much =/

Not sure where I should start though.

What skills do I need to train to be the bounty hunter/mercenary who likes to be a techie and scavenge =/

Also a shame that those stealth ships look ugly as sin :(

T
Theangryhobo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-08-11 19:18:15 UTC
Teiun Galentari wrote:
Completely new to this game. Hadn't even heard of it until a few days ago lol.


Where have you been? Also, I'm sorry. Your life is forever ruined by joining our community. Have fun!

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-12 01:01:40 UTC
Teiun Galentari wrote:
Hi All :)

Completely new to this game. Hadn't even heard of it until a few days ago lol.

Anyways I've done a bit of reading and from what I can gather the game is pretty much total RPG/do what you want type of thing. I guess what I'm getting at is if I detail below what I want from the game could someone let me know if it is even possible to achieve?

I'm kinda wanting to be some sort of mercenary, but not a bad guy. Kind of a hired gun for the government. I want to be involved at this in both PVP and PVE. I also don't want to be the the person who has the biggest gun to get by. I love technology and want to be like a drone, jamming, electronic warfare type. A lone wolf, a person who sculks in the shadows, stalks my prey and only strikes when needs be.

I also want to be a kind of scavenger as in once ive killed a NPC or player to scavenge whats left. Maybe rummage around old warzones and ship grave yards.

Lastly want to know if I can make money and well survive this way.

If this is possible I would really love some tips and help with how I can achieve the above. I will be eternally great full.

Oh and when I say I'm new I literally haven't even got my newb ship yet :D was wanting to plan everything out before I start.

Muchas Gracias :)
It looks like others in this thread covered what you're looking for, but I'll give it a go as well.

This game is very much open ended. There is no "endgame" like in other MMOs. An "endgame" implies that there's nothing beyond that last bit of content and EvE has nothing of the sort. You're allowed to do almost anything you want ingame and out of game that involves EvE. There are some exceptions, but it's mostly allowed. You can run a podcast and give shoutouts or advertisement time for ingame ISK. You can run a bank ingame (though the game has no mechanics for this). You can run a lottery agency. You can sell out of game artwork for ingame ISK. You can rent out your VOIP to a corp for an ingame fee. You can hold other players hostage and demand ransoms. You can steal, grief, scam, lie, cheat and do just about every horrible thing imaginable ingame. You can be a spy (note most spies are terrible at gathering intel).

It's really left to your imagination. Only in the most extreme cases of bad player behavior will a GM intervene (and believe me, they really would have to be extreme for a GM to stop it).

There are mercenary corporations in this game, though most have either no street cred or bad cred. A solo mercenary generally doesn't fare out to well because typically this is a game of numerical superiority (aka blobbing). As for the other items, you can have up to 5 drones to do your bidding (10 if you're in a carrier), jamming and electronic warfare in various forms, cloaking devices, deployable bombs, and a myriad of other "goodies" to play with.

For scavenging we have something called Salvaging. It's basically the same way you described. When an NPC or a player ship blows up, it leaves behind a wreck and sometimes loot stored within said wreck. The loot "belongs" to whomever killed the ship, but wrecks have no ownership claims and can be salvaged by anyone without consequence. You can still freely take the loot too, but the owner may or may not attack you.

If you came from WoW think of it like Looting and Skinning, except in EvE anyone can loot and the Skinning is actually Salvaging. But the concept is very similar.

You can make money in all these ways if you're creative and good at what you do. This game is based around the acquisition of wealth and the denial of wealth to others. World of Greedcraft if you will. Your entire goal in this game is to build up your sandcastle (whatever that may be), protect it from getting stomped on, and if desired stomp on the sandcastles of your enemies.

A strange metaphor but you get the idea.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33

Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#8 - 2012-08-12 01:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Teiun Galentari wrote:


Also a shame that those stealth ships look ugly as sin :(



ummm... cloaky. Hence the reason I hardly ever see half the ships in my hanger.
Really, they are tools of the trade, and you probably wont get everything you desire out of just one make/model through your career.
...well unless you do something with all those skills to afford T3's.... and it's a lot of skills in comparison to most professions so you wind up training for a variety of cloakys. But then a T3 is not always the best tool for the job.

But yeah, the falcon is favorable, not just from a Caldari standpoint, but that it has a good balance for surprise surgical strikes against various targets you want to weed out, but excels if not running solo. A nice addition to a stealth gang.

Hmmm... salvaging. Good for later mission running, stripping a BS. I tend to just skip most in your run of the mill mission/plex/anom encounters as it's more isk to just loot and move on to the next site... if even bothering to loot besides the can and/or boss. Generally a falcon will get you in and out pretty quick. But then don;t forget the SB's if you go that rout (of many routs possible, any and all).

btw I wouldn't tag the manticore as "ugly", at least imo has ominous symmetry.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#9 - 2012-08-12 03:42:22 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
[quote=Teiun Galentari]

You can make money in all these ways if you're creative and good at what you do. This game is based around the acquisition of wealth and the denial of wealth to others. World of Greedcraft if you will. Your entire goal in this game is to build up your sandcastle (whatever that may be), protect it from getting stomped on, and if desired stomp on the sandcastles of your enemies.

A strange metaphor but you get the idea.


It's funny because EVE is a sandbox Pirate

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Teiun Galentari
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-08-12 12:46:44 UTC
Thank you so much for the advice.

My last question is - what skills should I learn to achieve my full goal?
Theangryhobo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-08-12 23:14:14 UTC
Teiun Galentari wrote:
what skills should I learn to achieve my full goal?


You want to train Gallente Titan to Level V

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Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-13 00:47:54 UTC
check this out: www.battleclinic.com

You can look up the ships you want to fly, modules, fittings, etc and see what skills you need to train in order to use the modules as well as the ship.

btw, at above link, you will see ads for: evemon, evehq, eft - they basically help you with your skill training, and developing your eve online play time.

Keep in mind, no matter how many questions you ask, they will never get completely answered due to never ending diversity and changes in Eve.

Learn to research everything yourself! Every nut and bolt has a place in eve. Your career as a pilot depends on YOUR Intel. However these forums are great for questions, along with "help channel" in eve, misc. local chat, alliance chat, etc....

Good luck, and welcome to eve.
Velarra
#13 - 2012-08-13 05:33:48 UTC
You might want to take a look at the Caldari.
Teiun Galentari
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-08-13 09:15:26 UTC
Theangryhobo wrote:
Teiun Galentari wrote:
what skills should I learn to achieve my full goal?


You want to train Gallente Titan to Level V



I get the impression the above it trying to poke fun at me
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-08-13 09:49:47 UTC
Teiun Galentari wrote:
Theangryhobo wrote:
Teiun Galentari wrote:
what skills should I learn to achieve my full goal?


You want to train Gallente Titan to Level V



I get the impression the above it trying to poke fun at me
Not that much, if you dig the above mentionned skill and break it down to it's dependencies and the subsequent dependencies and so on... you'll likely have it all well covered.

You've been told about recon ships, covert ops ships, salvager mods... a show info on those in the market window would provide you with quite a few skills to train for beside the regular core, gunnery, tank and support skills.

Google and show info are your best friends in EVE, if something remains unclear, then ask in help channel, forums, etc.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Desmont McCallock
#16 - 2012-08-13 10:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Desmont McCallock
Teiun Galentari wrote:

I'm kinda wanting to be some sort of mercenary, but not a bad guy. Kind of a hired gun for the government. I want to be involved at this in both PVP and PVE. I also don't want to be the the person who has the biggest gun to get by. I love technology and want to be like a drone, jamming, electronic warfare type. A lone wolf, a person who sculks in the shadows, stalks my prey and only strikes when needs be.
Ultimate ship 'Widow'.
Teiun Galentari wrote:

I also want to be a kind of scavenger as in once ive killed a NPC or player to scavenge whats left. Maybe rummage around old warzones and ship grave yards.
Ultimate ship 'Noctis' also you may need 'Iteron V' to haul and 'Charon' to freight.
Teiun Galentari wrote:

Lastly want to know if I can make money and well survive this way.
This will be up to you via studying the game mechanics.
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-08-13 11:41:11 UTC
You should check this:

http://www.isktheguide.com/

You can download for free in pdf.

No matter whether you are a beginner on a 14-day trial account or a veteran trader, maybe a fierce pirate, a determined miner, a pilot who has years of experience in mission running or a three-month-in noob - there is no pilot who has tried and done everything or knows all there is to know about EVE. Beginner or expert, this Guide - known as the Industrial-Sized Knowledgebase - is for you!
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-08-13 12:23:43 UTC
Hello and welcome to EVE.

Not much to add what others already said. Merc but not a bad guy you say? There has been a few player corps that focused on mainly going after so called corps that consist of bad people. They really do not last long since people like me basically pummel them to the ground just to prove a point.

I would suggest if your looking at merc work your best bet is to find a corp that can offer help for newer players that want to get their feet wet with pvp.

If you need help or have question regarding PVP you are more than welcome to ask me ingame. No PVE questions please, I am next to useless when it comes to that since I do not do PVE.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Teiun Galentari
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-13 15:09:45 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Hello and welcome to EVE.

Not much to add what others already said. Merc but not a bad guy you say? There has been a few player corps that focused on mainly going after so called corps that consist of bad people. They really do not last long since people like me basically pummel them to the ground just to prove a point.

I would suggest if your looking at merc work your best bet is to find a corp that can offer help for newer players that want to get their feet wet with pvp.

If you need help or have question regarding PVP you are more than welcome to ask me ingame. No PVE questions please, I am next to useless when it comes to that since I do not do PVE.



Well since I'm near to useless at pvp I'll be taking you up on that offer. Plus I've given up on the good guy role. Gonna be in it for me :)
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#20 - 2012-08-13 17:22:24 UTC
Teiun Galentari wrote:
Plus I've given up on the good guy role. Gonna be in it for me

So kind of wavering on your original goals? Well really, the best way to go is just to get some experience with the game. Load EVEmon, plan your core certs from basic to standard and experience the game for the next some odd 44D 8H 48M 32S while covering all the career tutorials and Sisters of EVE epic arc. By the time you finish all of that, you will have a better grasp of what is fun for you in this game.
Oh and remember, trust no one ;)

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