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cvcdsas
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-12 18:57:16 UTC
posted with alt for obvious reasons

Could CCP please consider a change in cloaking mechanisms to reduce AFK cloaking.

I have no issues with people being able to be cloaked / grief people while they are active in game. But AFK cloaking for 23.5 hours per days seems to be the only risk free activity in eve. I hear constantly that even high sec is not to be considered safe only safer so find it difficult to understand which this particular activity is completely risk free.

If cloaking were changed so that we had to manually reactivate the cloak ever 30 minutes or even every hour it would at least give some risk. I accept that everytime i undock with a cloaky in system i might get hot dropped why should there be absolutely no risk 23.5 hours per day for someone to AFK grief.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2011-10-12 19:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Let's talk about the reason for AFK cloaking, Local. Removal of local and the package that will replace it.
Cloaking is working as intended, is not broken and already has massive drawbacks.

AFK cloaking is a perfectly viable mechanic to subvert locals 100%, risk free, instant intel.

Also cloaking is not responsible for hot drops, the actual mechanic that allows them is.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-12 19:08:31 UTC
cvcdsas wrote:
posted with alt for obvious reasons

Could CCP please consider a change in cloaking mechanisms to reduce AFK cloaking.

I have no issues with people being able to be cloaked / grief people while they are active in game. But AFK cloaking for 23.5 hours per days seems to be the only risk free activity in eve. I hear constantly that even high sec is not to be considered safe only safer so find it difficult to understand which this particular activity is completely risk free.

If cloaking were changed so that we had to manually reactivate the cloak ever 30 minutes or even every hour it would at least give some risk. I accept that everytime i undock with a cloaky in system i might get hot dropped why should there be absolutely no risk 23.5 hours per day for someone to AFK grief.



There is quite a few thread posts about this problem, with some good ideas, go check them out and support them, can find them here: CCP common prop.

I always thought the idea of a emp smartbomb from something like a titan which knocks out all ships cloaks within the system for say about 30min-60min, but prevents the titan from doomsdaying again for a long period of time and cannot warp, cloak etc like other doomsdays.
Quote:
Notes: You will be immobile for 30 seconds after firing this weapon. You will be unable to activate your jump drive or cloaking device for ten minutes after firing this weapon.


Just a quick thought, other electronic uses for the emp could be established also. I am not talking about the original doomsday dmg dealing smart bombs.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#4 - 2011-10-12 19:10:16 UTC
and yet neither of you have given a reason why any change is needed.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
cvcdsas
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-10-12 19:11:10 UTC
So if we are happy with risk free activity in low sec / null sec why do people keep critizing people in high sec when they complaining about being ganked. Surely low risk fits with the ethos of game rather than no risk???
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2011-10-12 19:11:59 UTC
cvcdsas wrote:
posted with alt for obvious reasons

Could CCP please consider a change in docking mechanisms to reduce AFK docking.

I have no issues with people being able to be docked / hide from people while they are active in game. But AFK docking for 23.5 hours per days seems to be the only risk free activity in eve. I hear constantly that even high sec is not to be considered safe only safer so find it difficult to understand which this particular activity is completely risk free.

If docking were changed so that we had to manually redock ever 30 minutes or even every hour it would at least give some risk. I accept that everytime i undock i might get hot dropped, but why should there be absolutely no risk 23.5 hours per day for someone like me to AFK hide?


Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-12 19:14:06 UTC
Mag's wrote:
and yet neither of you have given a reason why any change is needed.


I talk of null sec spying.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#8 - 2011-10-12 19:17:36 UTC
cvcdsas wrote:
So if we are happy with risk free activity in low sec / null sec why do people keep critizing people in high sec when they complaining about being ganked. Surely low risk fits with the ethos of game rather than no risk???
The thing is high sec is actually riskier that null is with your lone AFK cloaker. At least you can see there is an enemy in null, with high sec you really have no idea who is going to try and gank your ass.

But I see you still don't wish to discuss, the actual cause of AFK cloaking.

Sloppyslug wrote:
Mag's wrote:
and yet neither of you have given a reason why any change is needed.


I talk of null sec spying.
Actually you posted ideas that nerfs cloaking.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
cvcdsas
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-12 19:19:15 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
cvcdsas wrote:
posted with alt for obvious reasons

Could CCP please consider a change in docking mechanisms to reduce AFK docking.

I have no issues with people being able to be docked / hide from people while they are active in game. But AFK docking for 23.5 hours per days seems to be the only risk free activity in eve. I hear constantly that even high sec is not to be considered safe only safer so find it difficult to understand which this particular activity is completely risk free.

If docking were changed so that we had to manually redock ever 30 minutes or even every hour it would at least give some risk. I accept that everytime i undock i might get hot dropped, but why should there be absolutely no risk 23.5 hours per day for someone like me to AFK hide?





Dont undock what you cant lose is a term I have frequently seen used in eve. Hide and grief without any risks not realy the same
Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-12 19:20:45 UTC
Mag's wrote:

Actually you posted ideas that nerfs cloaking.


Yes in Null Sec where you would expect someone to be able to have full control over their own system. There needs to be a counter, with my idea it would be a massivly expensive counter, which would take time and effort, and be a risk to the titan also. Would limit the ships use also, to being one niche.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2011-10-12 19:24:25 UTC
Sloppyslug wrote:
Mag's wrote:

Actually you posted ideas that nerfs cloaking.


Yes in Null Sec where you would expect someone to be able to have full control over their own system. There needs to be a counter, with my idea it would be a massivly expensive counter, which would take time and effort, and be a risk to the titan also. Would limit the ships use also, to being one niche.
But it's not their system, they merely have sovereignty. If they want to protect it, then take steps and measures to do just that.

If you want to rely upon and keep your 100%, risk free, instant intel tool called local, then people should be allowed to try and subvert it.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-12 19:38:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Sloppyslug
The mechanics of eve without any local would change massivly, would be interesting to see how it turns out.

People would be using directional scan like its a click for porn button.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#13 - 2011-10-12 19:52:47 UTC
Sloppyslug wrote:
The mechanics of eve without any local would change massivly, would be interesting to see how it turns out.

People would be using directional scan like its a click for **** button.
Anyone with any sense of balance, knows that you cannot simply turn it off and hope for the best. It needs a package of changes to replace it, but you should have to do some work for your intel. At the moment, local gives it you on a plate.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2011-10-12 20:05:33 UTC
Sloppyslug wrote:
Mag's wrote:

Actually you posted ideas that nerfs cloaking.


Yes in Null Sec where you would expect someone to be able to have full control over their own system. There needs to be a counter, with my idea it would be a massivly expensive counter, which would take time and effort, and be a risk to the titan also. Would limit the ships use also, to being one niche.


A counter to what exactly? A counter to your own cowardice? A counter to someone who isn't actually doing anything to anyone?

Why, exactly, is it a bad thing for me to be able to cloak up in your system and go afk, but a good thing for you to be able to dock or POS up and go afk? We're both as invulnerable as the other, and we both have the same effect on eachother's gameplay, IE we're a name in local that you can't find. That's it. Neither of us can do anything to the other without losing our invulnerability.
Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-12 20:10:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Sloppyslug
Danika Princip wrote:
Sloppyslug wrote:
Mag's wrote:

Actually you posted ideas that nerfs cloaking.


Yes in Null Sec where you would expect someone to be able to have full control over their own system. There needs to be a counter, with my idea it would be a massivly expensive counter, which would take time and effort, and be a risk to the titan also. Would limit the ships use also, to being one niche.


A counter to what exactly? A counter to your own cowardice? A counter to someone who isn't actually doing anything to anyone?

Why, exactly, is it a bad thing for me to be able to cloak up in your system and go afk, but a good thing for you to be able to dock or POS up and go afk? We're both as invulnerable as the other, and we both have the same effect on eachother's gameplay, IE we're a name in local that you can't find. That's it. Neither of us can do anything to the other without losing our invulnerability.


What you talking about lol? I just remove anti-cyno, and then drop a super cap fleet on that pos and take it down, then kill you. how do i uncloak you and kill you?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2011-10-12 20:13:38 UTC
Sloppyslug wrote:


What you talking about lol? I just drop a super cap fleet on that pos and take it down, then kill you. how do i uncloak you and kill you?
Actually you put the pos into reinforced and wait how ever long the stront lasts. In other words, safe until DT if setup correctly.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-12 20:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sloppyslug
Mag's wrote:
Sloppyslug wrote:


What you talking about lol? I just drop a super cap fleet on that pos and take it down, then kill you. how do i uncloak you and kill you?
Actually you put the pos into reinforced and wait how ever long the stront lasts. In other words, safe until DT if setup correctly.


Ok and then I can kill you right? No matter how much you argue it is possible take down a POS making there a counter. There is no counter for the cloak.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#18 - 2011-10-12 20:20:10 UTC
Sloppyslug wrote:
Ok and then I can kill you right? That is a counter. There is no counter for the cloak.
Well if I warp off after you've put it into reinforced then no and no one with any sense logs off in a pos in case it does get zapped while you are away. I'm not sure what argument you think you have here.

Oh and cloaks do have a counter and they also have massive drawbacks when activated.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-12 20:24:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sloppyslug
Mag's wrote:
Sloppyslug wrote:
Ok and then I can kill you right? That is a counter. There is no counter for the cloak.
Well if I warp off after you've put it into reinforced then no and no one with any sense logs off in a pos in case it does get zapped while you are away. I'm not sure what argument you think you have here.

Oh and cloaks do have a counter and they also have massive drawbacks when activated.


You're getting off topic to what im saying, this is directed to safe spot afk cloaking and spying when needed.

People use HICS for a reason. There is a counter, there is a counter to all of what your saying, please tell me the counter for finding someone afk, in a random safe spot cloaked.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#20 - 2011-10-12 20:30:20 UTC
Sloppyslug wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Sloppyslug wrote:
Ok and then I can kill you right? That is a counter. There is no counter for the cloak.
Well if I warp off after you've put it into reinforced then no and no one with any sense logs off in a pos in case it does get zapped while you are away. I'm not sure what argument you think you have here.

Oh and cloaks do have a counter and they also have massive drawbacks when activated.


You're getting off topic to what im saying, this is directed to safe spot afk cloaking and spying when needed.

People use HICS for a reason. There is a counter, there is a counter to all of what your saying, please tell me the counter for finding someone afk, in a random safe spot cloaked.
You decide you could kill me on a whim inside a pos shield, sorry you got it wrong and went off topic. A hic is not a counter to me sitting safe inside a pos shield, again what argument do you think you have here?

Why should you need to find someone AFK in a safe spot? The fact you already know he's in the system, is a massive intel advantage.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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