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With the rebalance to T1 frigs ... what happens with T2 frigs?
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#21 - 2012-07-31 23:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Jacob Holland wrote:
smokess wrote:
Unnecessary and incorrect latinisation makes me a sad panda.

QFT

Not only would the normal english plural be bonuses in the same way as we don't refer to people's ani...



Actually, the latin plural of 'anus' is 'anus' (fourth declension) anyway.


Edit: on topic - AFs are okay - cov ops-skill dependent ships have their specific niche uses - combat oriented ceptors are in need of a little love after the T1 frig rebalance - same goes for Ewar frigs.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-07-31 23:10:46 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:


Actually, the latin plural of 'anus' is 'anus' (fourth declension) anyway.



As is 'Incursus' I believe.


1 Incursus... 2 Incursus.... 10 Incursus etc
Pipa Porto
#23 - 2012-07-31 23:12:43 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
smokess wrote:
Unnecessary and incorrect latinisation makes me a sad panda.

QFT

Not only would the normal english plural be bonuses in the same way as we don't refer to people's ani...

As I understand it the latin root for bonus would be bonum which should pluralise as bona (in the same way as media is the plural of medium) and so boni would be the wrong suffix anyway...


Bonus, -a, -um is an adjective. So it's plural form depends on the gender.

If it's modifying a masculine or mixed group in the Nominative case (losely, the subject of the sentence), it would be Boni.
A feminine group, it would be Bonae.
A Nuter group, Bona.

I've forgotten how to use adjectives as nouns in Latin. Was never very good at it.

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-07-31 23:14:45 UTC
the same thing that happened to interdictors when destroyers got a boost

..ohwait

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#25 - 2012-08-04 00:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
The VC's wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Will the new bonis be aplied to T2 versions....?


Who are these Boni's that you speak of? Are they the ship's crews?


You never had Latin as language do you?
Positiv Plural Nominativ
maskulinum: boni
feminunum: bonae
neutrum: bona

one bonus
several boni (or bona if you take it as neutrum (it))

So MY mistake was to see it as maskulin like in German (-i) ... but for you english guys it's neutrum (-a) ... ( which feels horible wrong somehow ... I still prefare the -i ).

"bonuses" is ALLWAYS wrong and if you got it from wiki ... ignore wiki ... it's just WRONG and not existent!
And no, I don't care about bubblegum US slangs ;).


And I mean the new Tech 1 frigat-bona like 5% damage + 5% resitences from the Punisher.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-08-04 02:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: The VC's
Bona would be correct, as would bonum. If we were speaking in Latin. The English language words 'bonus' and 'bonuses' are derived from Latin.

I had Latin in church






Edit. I sound like a knob here, don't I? Apologies.
Cpt Branko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-08-04 11:20:32 UTC
Bonuses. If it bothers you, ask for a Latin board, since this isn't it.
Je720
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-08-10 04:12:33 UTC
They do need a few tweaks here and there for consistency.

e.g. The Atron now has 3 turrets but the Ares still only has 2 turrets when now it should really have 3.

Also it would be nice if the rep bonus of the Incursus was carried to the assault frig versions (or at least one of them like Caldari have). Having a turret optimal bonus on both the Enyo and the Ishkur seems a bit silly.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#29 - 2012-08-10 09:49:08 UTC
I think it is fine that CCP reworkes it ship by ship. This forces people to rethink their fafourite ships and fittings from time to time and adds some turbulences to the market. I just hope they will look at every ship over the time (especially the Tier 1 Faction Cruisers) and I also hope they will not remove all split weapon ships. Current plans for Typhoon make me sad.
VanNostrum
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-08-10 18:41:13 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
The VC's wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Will the new bonis be aplied to T2 versions....?


Who are these Boni's that you speak of? Are they the ship's crews?


You never had Latin as language do you?
Positiv Plural Nominativ
maskulinum: boni
feminunum: bonae
neutrum: bona

one bonus
several boni (or bona if you take it as neutrum (it))

So MY mistake was to see it as maskulin like in German (-i) ... but for you english guys it's neutrum (-a) ... ( which feels horible wrong somehow ... I still prefare the -i ).

"bonuses" is ALLWAYS wrong and if you got it from wiki ... ignore wiki ... it's just WRONG and not existent!
And no, I don't care about bubblegum US slangs ;).


And I mean the new Tech 1 frigat-bona like 5% damage + 5% resitences from the Punisher.


even if plural was boni, OP said bonis
Tragedy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-08-10 19:51:40 UTC
I think a lot if people don't understand what ongoing rebalancing means.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#32 - 2012-08-11 15:24:16 UTC
Tragedy wrote:
I think a lot if people don't understand what ongoing rebalancing means.


We understand perfectly what it means, we just have no faith in ccp to really keep it "ongoing". CCP has a massive history of leaving gaping holes in their balance plan. The perfect time to adjust t2 variants is when you're adjusting the t1s or else you end up with a minimal power gap between progressions of ships that will inevitably last for years based on ccp timeline history.

I'm more worried about what is going to happen to hacs and field commands which are already underrepresented / underpowered in pvp for most races atm. Once BCs are rebalanced their may be literally almost no gap in performance between tech 1 and tech 2, you can already see that tech 1 bcs have higher base hp values compared to their t2 variants brought about by a long forgotten tech 1 bc hp buff 6+ years ago that for some magical reason was never applied to their tech 2 variants resulting in the discrepancy we have today. The issue is that ccp forgets **** and leaves gaping holes in their design "plans".

In conclusion, CCP needs to start with tech 1 ships in each class as far as rebalancing goes however they need to rebalance the t2s before they move onto next class of t1s. This really should not take years to do, other MMOs with far more complicated mechanics resulting in far more effort put into balancing do this **** in a mere fraction of the time as ccp...
Motoko Kusanagui
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-08-11 16:05:34 UTC
Rebalance T1 ships first to rebalance T2 second sounds logical, I hope they do it that way from now on.
Lili Lu
#34 - 2012-08-11 16:16:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Tragedy wrote:
I think a lot if people don't understand what ongoing rebalancing means.


We understand perfectly what it means, we just have no faith in ccp to really keep it "ongoing". CCP has a massive history of leaving gaping holes in their balance plan. The perfect time to adjust t2 variants is when you're adjusting the t1s or else you end up with a minimal power gap between progressions of ships that will inevitably last for years based on ccp timeline history.

I'm more worried about what is going to happen to hacs and field commands which are already underrepresented / underpowered in pvp for most races atm. Once BCs are rebalanced their may be literally almost no gap in performance between tech 1 and tech 2, you can already see that tech 1 bcs have higher base hp values compared to their t2 variants brought about by a long forgotten tech 1 bc hp buff 6+ years ago that for some magical reason was never applied to their tech 2 variants resulting in the discrepancy we have today. The issue is that ccp forgets **** and leaves gaping holes in their design "plans".

In conclusion, CCP needs to start with tech 1 ships in each class as far as rebalancing goes however they need to rebalance the t2s before they move onto next class of t1s. This really should not take years to do, other MMOs with far more complicated mechanics resulting in far more effort put into balancing do this **** in a mere fraction of the time as ccp...

THIS !!!! And they need to devote more poeple to the effort. It is central to any game's health.

and as for the Latin linguistic discussion. How about plural possessives like my Brutixes bonuses relative strength . . or ah **** it let's just go with the Brutixeseses bonuseseses relative strength is . . P
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#35 - 2012-08-11 20:19:48 UTC
Anyone with eyes knows that the Incursus and the Merlin are overpowered for their price right now. Pilot skill has **** all to do with balance.

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-08-12 04:54:31 UTC
Dorian Tormak wrote:
Anyone with eyes knows that the Incursus and the Merlin are overpowered for their price right now. Pilot skill has **** all to do with balance.


Meh. They are still T1 frigs and severely limited in terms of fitting and functionality.

The Merlin certainly got a boost when it went to 3 turrets rather than the classic 2x2 set up, but it is by no means OP. DPS potential is good with blasters for a T1 frig, but blasters have their inherent limitation. Granted, it's a beast tank for a T1 frig, but, again, not invincible by an means.

The Incursus is one of my least favorite T1 frigs. It's good, I just hate the kit.
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