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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-08-11 07:11:06 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Nice to see CCP, finally the Barges got some love, hisec miners (I ain't one btw) can enjoy their hobby once more and are coming back .

Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.

PS. And I already know what the pesky sociopath suicide ganker response to this thread will be; THIS ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4 RollSmile


Wait?! Gaming is a hobby?

You mean hunched over your keyboard, staring at Overview nonstop, so you can escape the occasional sociopath gank isn't fun for you? What craziness is this?


Nothing like semi AFK mining, you can actually live real life and simultaneously play a video game now, Awesome Blink


Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1

(He apparently clarifies this in the thread:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
)
Ensign X
#22 - 2012-08-11 07:35:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ensign X
Xython wrote:
Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1

(He apparently clarifies this in the thread:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
)



Translation: I'm mis-quoting an announcement about AFK Complex farming to support my whining about mining even though the announcement has nothing to do with and does not in any way reference mining. I have no idea what I'm talking about and have a 3rd grade comprehension of the english language.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#23 - 2012-08-11 07:43:56 UTC
Xython wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Nice to see CCP, finally the Barges got some love, hisec miners (I ain't one btw) can enjoy their hobby once more and are coming back .

Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.

PS. And I already know what the pesky sociopath suicide ganker response to this thread will be; THIS ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4 RollSmile


Wait?! Gaming is a hobby?

You mean hunched over your keyboard, staring at Overview nonstop, so you can escape the occasional sociopath gank isn't fun for you? What craziness is this?


Nothing like semi AFK mining, you can actually live real life and simultaneously play a video game now, Awesome Blink


Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1

(He apparently clarifies this in the thread:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
)



AFK mining aint against the rules cos u have to get back to your pc every once a while to clear your cargo, warp back and restart mining.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-08-11 08:04:01 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:

AFK mining aint against the rules cos u have to get back to your pc every once a while to clear your cargo, warp back and restart mining.




That's semi afk mining, which of course is allowed because when you need to interact you're there to do so and if you're not you'll end up mining nothing once the roid has been mined to nothing or the cargohold is full.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-08-11 08:04:29 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
Xython wrote:
Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1

(He apparently clarifies this in the thread:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
)



Translation: I'm mis-quoting an announcement about AFK Complex farming to support my whining about mining even though the announcement has nothing to do with and does not in any way reference mining. I have no idea what I'm talking about and have a 3rd grade comprehension of the english language.


Oh hey, nice to see you follow me over here too. Man, I musta touched a nerve to get you so pissed off.

But nah, not mis-quoting really. He states that doing things that are making you money, while AFK, while logged in all day, which are meant to be active gameplay elements, is "doing something wrong."

AFK Mining hits every single one of those criteria. To wit:

1. Makes you money (ore / ice -> isk)
2. Done while AFK (Oh lord yes.)
3. Able to be done 23.5 x 7 if you check every so often.
4. Are meant to be active gameplay elements (ores weigh something, meaning you're not meant to be able to mine for an infinite amount of time without interaction)

Ergo, AFK Mining is "doing something wrong" -- and when CCP says you're "doing something wrong" this means you are "exploiting."

Therefore: AFK Mining is an exploit.

This isn't difficult logic.

I am glad CCP is finally acknowledging that AFK Isk Generation (i.e. Mining) is a horrific exploit that is killing the EVE economy and EVE itself, but for some reason I fear they will back down and not actually do anything about it. Too many entitled players, addicted to the sight of their wallets ticking up.
Frying Doom
#26 - 2012-08-11 08:10:59 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.


You should thank Goons for their actions showing how silly mining barges and ganking those was. They made a point and actually helped those changes more than everyone, if you can't actually see the picture then look at it deeply Blink

Actually it pains me to say this but the announcement that hulkagedon was permanent was probably a large factor in pushing these changes through now, they might have been done at the winter expansion but due to the Goons we got it sooner.

They may have just been lining there on pockets by making a bigger market for tech but the side effect is these awesome changes.

So Thank you Goonswarm...



I think I need a shower after that statement.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#27 - 2012-08-11 09:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Raptor
Xython wrote:
Ensign X wrote:
Xython wrote:
Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1

(He apparently clarifies this in the thread:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
)



Translation: I'm mis-quoting an announcement about AFK Complex farming to support my whining about mining even though the announcement has nothing to do with and does not in any way reference mining. I have no idea what I'm talking about and have a 3rd grade comprehension of the english language.


Oh hey, nice to see you follow me over here too. Man, I musta touched a nerve to get you so pissed off.

But nah, not mis-quoting really. He states that doing things that are making you money, while AFK, while logged in all day, which are meant to be active gameplay elements, is "doing something wrong."

AFK Mining hits every single one of those criteria. To wit:

1. Makes you money (ore / ice -> isk)
2. Done while AFK (Oh lord yes.)
3. Able to be done 23.5 x 7 if you check every so often.
4. Are meant to be active gameplay elements (ores weigh something, meaning you're not meant to be able to mine for an infinite amount of time without interaction)

Ergo, AFK Mining is "doing something wrong" -- and when CCP says you're "doing something wrong" this means you are "exploiting."

Therefore: AFK Mining is an exploit.

This isn't difficult logic.

I am glad CCP is finally acknowledging that AFK Isk Generation (i.e. Mining) is a horrific exploit that is killing the EVE economy and EVE itself, but for some reason I fear they will back down and not actually do anything about it. Too many entitled players, addicted to the sight of their wallets ticking up.



CCP Sreeg specifically says he doesnt want to see 23.5/7 afk complexing , but being afk so "you can feed yourself" while complexing is fine with CCP Sreegs.
And yes some peoples dinners go for an hour, and Sreegs is obviously fine with that in his post .

No dev expects players to sit there in a catatonic state and watch ice harvesters turn over and fill a cargohold every 20-30 mins.

Are you sure youre not this guy?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-08-11 09:56:20 UTC
Xython wrote:
There was plenty of safety in mining, if you weren't an AFK Botting moron fitting no tank and max yield in a ship designed for group nullsec mining.

Unfortunately, CCP gave in to the AFK Botting Moron Menace.


Who caused this in first place? Goons vs. hisec war maybe?

And in the same process you guys ruined Hulkageddon as event.
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-08-11 10:42:25 UTC
Well if it is true that Goons actually did influence the outcome (which IMO was a really good and logical one).

Could I kindly ask that you have a permanent gatecamper event? :D
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-08-11 13:44:03 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:


Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.




There are at least 10 other factors besides Goons that have driven the numbers down for the past 15 months.

Your statement gives them too much credit undeservedly.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-08-11 14:05:46 UTC
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:


Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.




There are at least 10 other factors besides Goons that have driven the numbers down for the past 15 months.

Your statement gives them too much credit undeservedly.


Lets not forget the real reason why the highsec miner population has thinned out in the past few months:

CCP finally started cracking down on bots.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#32 - 2012-08-11 14:31:06 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.


You should thank Goons for their actions showing how silly mining barges and ganking those was. They made a point and actually helped those changes more than everyone, if you can't actually see the picture then look at it deeply Blink


Thank?

Shee-it we owe our whole game to them, they are the content creators, we should be sending our subs to them...Roll

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2012-08-11 15:27:24 UTC
Xython wrote:
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.

There are at least 10 other factors besides Goons that have driven the numbers down for the past 15 months.

Your statement gives them too much credit undeservedly.

Lets not forget the real reason why the highsec miner population has thinned out in the past few months:

CCP finally started cracking down on bots.

Oh dear, were the bots creating content in the form of cheaper minerals?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#34 - 2012-08-11 15:46:39 UTC
Xython wrote:
Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1

(He apparently clarifies this in the thread:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
)

Erm, not to step on your toes or anything but he actually said the following, in regards to AFK mining.

CCP Sreegs wrote:
Darth Skorpius wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
In this case what we're specifically concerned about is the ability to make money during long periods of being AFK performing activities which are meant to be active.


Well that means AFK mining is safe then!


If you are aware of a way for miners to mine AFK with no third party programs 24 hours a day without being at their machines and managing cargo then I'm all ears.
So yea, it's not a problem unless you can show him what he asked for.

Carry on.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#35 - 2012-08-12 21:59:43 UTC
Just wanted to say, love the new Mack, MINERS BACK IN FORCE, YEAH! 51 k Payers on server!

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-08-13 13:08:33 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.


You should thank Goons for their actions showing how silly mining barges and ganking those was. They made a point and actually helped those changes more than everyone, if you can't actually see the picture then look at it deeply Blink


You should thank rapists for the invention of the **** kit. It clearly has stopped all **** worldwide.

Your logic is awesome, I want to drink it.



Well you fail to see the picture. There's a CSM running blahblah's and yadayada's for almost peanuts.

Use and abuse of a failure/old design to the point it becomes a nuisance to a large part of the community and suddenly coming out of whatever intergalactic arse you see patches fixing "this" and "that".

Also: why so serious and what the hell rapist have to do with Eve?

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-08-13 13:12:08 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
There was plenty of safety in mining, if you weren't an AFK Botting moron fitting no tank and max yield in a ship designed for group nullsec mining.

Unfortunately, CCP gave in to the AFK Botting Moron Menace.


Who caused this in first place? Goons vs. hisec war maybe?

And in the same process you guys ruined Hulkageddon as event.



Just change it for Haulergeddon, seems those haulers are in need of some buffs too so just gank those by millions with rifters and thrashers, then we will always be able to thank you for doing the only thing that makes the sandbox evolve: beat it to death

brb
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#38 - 2012-08-13 13:26:27 UTC
Ninjas InTheNight wrote:
Many don't seem to have realised it yet but the barge changes may well kill ice prices.

CCP turned ice mining into a near fully afk activity, all thanks to the 35k m3 ore hold of the mackinkaw. Ice prices may drop to their lowest ever, and the only people mining it will be doing so mainly afk with many alts, and for the average player it will be a worthless income.

How is that a buff for mining? It's a massive nerf. They've turned it into a big joke to be done semi afk with many alts.



Lower ice prices make a lot of other activities much more viable. Not to mention, it will bring the rewards for ice mining in line with the effort required. Remember that ice prices are STILL way above their levels from 3 months ago. Not to mention, with the changes to moon alchemy, MANY more POSes are getting setup, so there is a much greater demand.

Going to be mostly afk while you cook dinner or grab a shower or whatever? Mine some Ice.
Have time to be more active? Mine Ore and get more isk/hour.


In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Ezra Tair
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-08-13 14:23:06 UTC
Ninjas InTheNight wrote:
Many don't seem to have realised it yet but the barge changes may well kill ice prices.

CCP turned ice mining into a near fully afk activity, all thanks to the 35k m3 ore hold of the mackinkaw. Ice prices may drop to their lowest ever, and the only people mining it will be doing so mainly afk with many alts, and for the average player it will be a worthless income.

How is that a buff for mining? It's a massive nerf. They've turned it into a big joke to be done semi afk with many alts.



When was ICE mining not worthless income for the average player? When was it NOT a semi afk activity done with many alts?

The only change now, is that their are choice other than the hulk. Mining barges are viable. The hulk is just another ship, on equal with any other ship in the exhumer class. The exhumer class is now 'end game' mining. Not just the hulk. T2 mining ships are now just about as much an improvement over T1 mining ships as T2 combat ships are over their respective T1 combat ships.
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