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So, the march toward rock, paper, scissors continues
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Cydori
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-12 18:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cydori
And now supers are nerfed back into the oblivion from whence they came. And no, I don't own or fly a super and never have.

I'm not opposed to nerfing supers or any other ship in need of balance as there should never be an "I win" button in EVE. However, I do object to the trend of turning every ship in the game into a super specialized tool which does one thing well and is absolute rubbish for everything else. That line of reasoning eventually leads to a game design where there is a "right" way and "wrong" way to use every ship as well as a predetermined way to play the game.

If I wanted to play rock, paper, scissors I wouldn't be playing EVE.

Seriously, CCP, what's the point of having hundreds of ships and modules to choose from if all of them are predestined to be fitted and flown in with an identical template? Can you spell 'boring.'
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-12 18:10:05 UTC
I dare say you have never seen the Caracal, Hurricane, Tengu or a whole slew of other ships with versatile fittings.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-12 18:10:30 UTC
My point here is that just because there are popular fits for a thing does not mean that other fits are not possible and viable.

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Di Mulle
#4 - 2011-10-12 18:12:41 UTC
Apparently making it in not predertermined way, which leads to the pretty predetermined situation of "fly one ship or why bother", is less boring and justifies existence of hundreds of ships better.
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Cydori
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-12 18:12:54 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I dare say you have never seen the Caracal, Hurricane, Tengu or a whole slew of other ships with versatile fittings.


Yes, that's true. For a handful of ships. For everything else the ships might as well come pre-built with fittings because they are rubbish for everything other than one single specialized role.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-12 18:15:50 UTC
I don't think you have much experience in this game. Name me a ship, and I'll give you some fittings for it.

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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
#7 - 2011-10-12 18:17:42 UTC
Cydori wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I dare say you have never seen the Caracal, Hurricane, Tengu or a whole slew of other ships with versatile fittings.


Yes, that's true. For a handful of ships. For everything else the ships might as well come pre-built with fittings because they are rubbish for everything other than one single specialized role.


Oh? Pick one, post the fitting, and then post how absolutely no other fittings for that ship are worthwhile or valid.

I'll wait.
stoicfaux
#8 - 2011-10-12 18:18:00 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I don't think you have much experience in this game. Name me a ship, and I'll give you some fittings for it.


Charon.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
#9 - 2011-10-12 18:19:38 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I don't think you have much experience in this game. Name me a ship, and I'll give you some fittings for it.


Charon.



That's cheating Sad
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-12 18:20:55 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I don't think you have much experience in this game. Name me a ship, and I'll give you some fittings for it.


Charon.


[Charon, New Setup 1]


[Charon, New Setup 2]


[Charon, New Setup 3]

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Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-10-12 18:24:36 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I don't think you have much experience in this game. Name me a ship, and I'll give you some fittings for it.


Charon.


[Charon, New Setup 1]


[Charon, New Setup 2]


[Charon, New Setup 3]



^this. I personally prefer the first set up, but all three are solid fits IMO.
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#12 - 2011-10-12 18:26:29 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I don't think you have much experience in this game. Name me a ship, and I'll give you some fittings for it.


Charon.


981250 m³ cargo space, largest of all freighters.

Can haul two fitted Ravens in a courier contract if you have Caldari Freighter V.

But haul is all it can do. If we had line-of-sight firing, it could be a pretty decent "meatal" shield for frigs and stuff.

Please support: export of settings in editable format

Your stuff goes here.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-12 18:27:46 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I don't think you have much experience in this game. Name me a ship, and I'll give you some fittings for it.


Charon.


[Charon, New Setup 1]


[Charon, New Setup 2]


[Charon, New Setup 3]



^this. I personally prefer the first set up, but all three are solid fits IMO.

I actually keep all three in station. The first one is my usual Jita-haulting setup, but I use the third one for managing my Planetary Interaction empire and the second one is comparatively preferable for trips through Niarja and other high-security choke systems where ganking is a concern.

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Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-12 18:27:59 UTC
I always thought of the Minmatar as the "jack-of-all-trades-wacky-fit-club".

I do think some specialisation ships are not a bad thing per say, oversaturation of them would be a bad thing.
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#15 - 2011-10-12 18:32:08 UTC
Please refrain from making dumb supers whine threads.

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stoicfaux
#16 - 2011-10-12 18:32:25 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I don't think you have much experience in this game. Name me a ship, and I'll give you some fittings for it.


Charon.


[Charon, New Setup 1]


[Charon, New Setup 2]


[Charon, New Setup 3]


I forget the details, but wouldn't a freighter full of shuttles be a viable setup?


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Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#17 - 2011-10-12 18:33:37 UTC
Quote:
what's the point of having hundreds of ships and modules to choose from if all of them are predestined to be fitted and flown in with an identical template?


Most everyone agrees with your statement and that's essentially why the supercap changes are coming. There is quite a bit of versatility with most ships in the game, however none of that matters if you can just field a couple handfuls of supercaps and destroy any subcap fleet in the game. These changes are being made for the sake of versatility as well as balance.

It's a good set of changes imo.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-12 18:35:27 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
I always thought of the Minmatar as the "jack-of-all-trades-wacky-fit-club".

I do think some specialisation ships are not a bad thing per say, oversaturation of them would be a bad thing.

The only ship I can think of offhand that has clarity of purpose and elegance of design is the Brutix; but, I am predisposed to believe that by virtue of Dear Leader endorsing its use in that regard. For the information of those unaware, I am referring to the use of the Brutix as an all-out gank platform with blasters. But even the Brutix can be put to alternative uses: I am told it makes a fine mission or ratting boat with railguns, etc.

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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#19 - 2011-10-12 18:37:12 UTC
Artillery hurricanes hurt.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-10-12 18:41:31 UTC
So do Artillery thrashers, and AML Caracals.

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