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Dusties Play Free, We Pay?

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Jenn Ymor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-08-10 16:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn Ymor
Bootleg Jack wrote:
highonpop wrote:
I have an eve account and dust account.

so I pay for myself to play dust



why should I care?


Because the financials is only half the point, and it is the half that hardly matters.

The other half is our sandbox will contain players with 0 investment, from a culture of 0 investment, who are totally transient.

We have a culture when you can't even change your name because we want people to have to live with the consequences of thier actions, in comes players with no history, no investment.


While I understand where you are coming from, there is a part in your statement I can't agree with. You're generalizing that the "console players" are transient, don't care, and most likely a whole lot of other prejudices as well (just assuming here). The console market has long lost focus on it's typical target audience (male teenagers) and extended to whole new groups of players. While the young teenagers are certainly the group with the loudest voice, in no way they are the only people using consoles. The rest is made of all other sorts of people, and while the mom playing indie games is most likely not the target audience for Dust 514, some other parts of this audience are and you would be suprised how much they are willing to invest into a console game (both time and money). Much like some of the EVE players these guys and girls are past school/university and doing quite well financially, being able to pump severall hundred dollars a month into a game.
Just because consoles are being overrun by the same, easy replacable series of (mostly shooter)games, this is not what all of the players want.
Adding to that there has been stated severall times by CCP that they are aware of the risk they are undertaking when linking both games together, and they want to start slowly, listening to the feedback they gain in the process. While I take this with a grain of salt, the setup they planned indicates that some shooter kids can't just jump into nullsec, where the fights happen that really have an impact on the game, cause a big mess and leave to play the next call of battlefield gears whatever.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#62 - 2012-08-10 16:03:58 UTC
Let the bunnies play for free, the glorious immortal capsuleers are the ones pulling their strings
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#63 - 2012-08-10 16:36:50 UTC
Have faith people... look at how much money Zynga has made. Dust might end up being a very good cash cow. It could eventually pay back and let CCP get better EVE clusters, maybe even lag free.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Lilliana Stelles
#64 - 2012-08-10 16:43:41 UTC
Dust bunnies like RMT P2W and we can't stand it.

We don't make **** from microtransactions. They already do. The merc pack sold better than any aur item.

So they get a free game.

Want Eve to be free? Buy more monocles and quit complaining about p2w.

Not a forum alt. 

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#65 - 2012-08-10 17:52:07 UTC
Darien Aritus wrote:
Aooz wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Not if the "Dusties" need to pay to purchase the game in the first place. That's how shooter games typically are.


It's completely F2P, they're relying on PS3 people to use a cash shop.


Hence the microtransaction system.


hence the cheap product
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2012-08-10 18:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
Bootleg Jack wrote:
highonpop wrote:
I have an eve account and dust account.

so I pay for myself to play dust



why should I care?


Because the financials is only half the point, and it is the half that hardly matters.

The other half is our sandbox will contain players with 0 investment, from a culture of 0 investment, who are totally transient.

We have a culture when you can't even change your name because we want people to have to live with the consequences of thier actions, in comes players with no history, no investment.




and you don't want to attempt to give them the opportunity to change their "culture of investment"? What if you are wrong about FPS players? Maybe you forget that most FPS games take time and investment of skill and knowledge. Like leveling, unlocking new weapons and such?

The way the game is built you are forced to "invest", as you say, in the game. You have to get skill points to train new skills, just like eve. You get SP for in game achievements as well as a slow income of SP over time. All of your stuff is real time assets, just like eve. Only have 10 dropsuits? Well, hope you dont die much...

The ones who dont share this mindset or are not capable of understanding this mindset in a FPS wont stay in DUST for very long.

FC, what do?

LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Frontier Acquisitions
#67 - 2012-08-10 18:27:42 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
So basically our subs are paying for the development of DUST, even after it's release?

EDIT: DUST Free Page



Who cares? The Eve community lacks the normal gaming community problems of mass stupidity and gross immaturity but the largest flaw in the Eve community is how completely and pointlessly bitter the players get over things that DON'T FU^KING MATTER.
Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
#68 - 2012-08-10 18:36:54 UTC
LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
So basically our subs are paying for the development of DUST, even after it's release?

EDIT: DUST Free Page



Who cares? The Eve community lacks the normal gaming community problems of mass stupidity and gross immaturity but the largest flaw in the Eve community is how completely and pointlessly bitter the players get over things that DON'T FU^KING MATTER.


It did matter, though not in the way the OP states it. The fact that CCP is using profits to bankroll another game isn't a issue in actuality if they DIDN'T I would be more concerned. The issue imo was the cost of neglect and arrogance CCP displayed towards the player base. Developing another game is fine, but turning your back on your current game/player base and leaving the game in shambles while you pursue another is a slap in the face. CCP has paid the price for this and is IMO where they should have been in the first place. Priority one is majority focus on your current base and game, while priority 2 is developing another game.
Doctor ForumAlt
#69 - 2012-08-10 19:32:36 UTC
Perhaps many are missing the point.

Perhaps Dust is a flash in the pan. Perhaps the casual gamer will play for a bit and then stop playing. But at some point, that casual player may look to the sky and wonder. "What is up there, Should I be up there?"

The crossover gamers from console to Eve could make a significant impact on the Eve population. Bringing more content, more interaction and more targets. And lets not forget. Paying to Play.

So no matter what really happens. This could truly be a win-win for CCP and the Eve player base.

Marketing 101 - Get the name out and interest peaked.

Look at the idiots that bought the thigh master because they stopped and watched a commercial to see a nice set of lady thighs.

I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young." "Why, what did she tell you?" "I don't know, I didn't listen."

Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
#70 - 2012-08-10 20:00:14 UTC
People who are drawn to FPS style games usually aren't drawn to Eve style games. While there are some that do play both, the thought of targeting such a specific base with that ideology has a slim chance of achieving that goal.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#71 - 2012-08-10 20:14:50 UTC
As I said in another thread. Dust might actually generate a ton of future EVE players who will be paying subscriptions.

Aside from that , do not blow your high horn. How many of you actually do pay for EVE and don't just buy plexes of the market?

It's the newby carebears you all hate who pay for Dust and EVE atm...

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#72 - 2012-08-10 20:18:49 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
highonpop wrote:
I have an eve account and dust account.

so I pay for myself to play dust



why should I care?


Because the financials is only half the point, and it is the half that hardly matters.

The other half is our sandbox will contain players with 0 investment, from a culture of 0 investment, who are totally transient.

We have a culture when you can't even change your name because we want people to have to live with the consequences of thier actions, in comes players with no history, no investment.




and you don't want to attempt to give them the opportunity to change their "culture of investment"? What if you are wrong about FPS players? Maybe you forget that most FPS games take time and investment of skill and knowledge. Like leveling, unlocking new weapons and such?

The way the game is built you are forced to "invest", as you say, in the game. You have to get skill points to train new skills, just like eve. You get SP for in game achievements as well as a slow income of SP over time. All of your stuff is real time assets, just like eve. Only have 10 dropsuits? Well, hope you dont die much...

The ones who dont share this mindset or are not capable of understanding this mindset in a FPS wont stay in DUST for very long.


Thicken the skin, no one is insulting FPS players, that is simply the nature of the platform.

I'm an American, English is my second language...

Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#73 - 2012-08-10 20:48:28 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
highonpop wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
highonpop wrote:
I have an eve account and dust account.

so I pay for myself to play dust



why should I care?


Because the financials is only half the point, and it is the half that hardly matters.

The other half is our sandbox will contain players with 0 investment, from a culture of 0 investment, who are totally transient.

We have a culture when you can't even change your name because we want people to have to live with the consequences of thier actions, in comes players with no history, no investment.




and you don't want to attempt to give them the opportunity to change their "culture of investment"? What if you are wrong about FPS players? Maybe you forget that most FPS games take time and investment of skill and knowledge. Like leveling, unlocking new weapons and such?

The way the game is built you are forced to "invest", as you say, in the game. You have to get skill points to train new skills, just like eve. You get SP for in game achievements as well as a slow income of SP over time. All of your stuff is real time assets, just like eve. Only have 10 dropsuits? Well, hope you dont die much...

The ones who dont share this mindset or are not capable of understanding this mindset in a FPS wont stay in DUST for very long.


Thicken the skin, no one is insulting FPS players, that is simply the nature of the platform.


Yes and No. I do understand where you coming from. I grew up playing mindless shooters like Doom 1 & 2 , Wolfenstein 3d and Duke Nukem as well. At some point I just outgrew them though. In fact, up untill a few months ago I would have shared your view point when you said "that's just the nature of the platform".
However, at my sons insistence I kept buying these "awful fps games" for him. After a while I decided to take a look at what he is so excited about and it was pretty eyeopening. Unlike what I was used to he was actually leveling , getting mad achievements that require a lot of dedication and time.
So I had to adjust my point of view. He was not ready for Eve but he was learning to be patient and pursue his goals and for the first time I actually believed we would be able to play together when he matures and share it as a hobby.
Through dust you lower the bar for maturing fps players to try EvE. Dust might become a financial break even who knows but it also opens doors for a "2nd generation" of Eve players that will start playing in couple of years ensuring Eves' survival long term.

I think we can't be shortsighted as community in this and maybe CCP does have a grander view and scope then we think they have. Maybe this is combining short time gamble with long term goals.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

M14D
Avis Investment Group
#74 - 2012-08-10 22:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: M14D
People need a serious reality-check here. Just because you pay a subscription fee, doesn't mean you get to complain about what the company's doing with it.

For the love of Jesus, do you walk up to your gym owner and start whining to him about how he's using your precious monthly fee to fund his second venture elsewhere? No, you don't, because you're hopefully not as much of an idiot in real-life as you are online.

Also, don't compare MMO's to shooters when it comes to payment plans. Just don't.
Mindseamstress
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
#75 - 2012-08-10 23:09:24 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
free games are always terrible,,,because you must pay for good things in life. if its free, there's a reason. (its a turd, that possibly fell in the punch bowl)


Agree... I personally find this FTP thing worrying. It really devalues the Eve universe a fair bit. The point is, if they felt enough ppl would actually want to pay for the game, they would charge for it.

And of course it means less cash reinvested into developing the game universe...what a shame
Mindseamstress
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
#76 - 2012-08-10 23:11:46 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
As I said in another thread. Dust might actually generate a ton of future EVE players who will be paying subscriptions.

Aside from that , do not blow your high horn. How many of you actually do pay for EVE and don't just buy plexes of the market?

It's the newby carebears you all hate who pay for Dust and EVE atm...


Except someone put the plexes on the market buy paying for them in the first place. Each plex does represent actual $$$ for CCP.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2012-08-10 23:15:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
This thread seems to be full of people who think throwing money at EVE will automatically generate better content.

Quoted from the other thread.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-08-10 23:18:52 UTC
LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
So basically our subs are paying for the development of DUST, even after it's release?

EDIT: DUST Free Page



Who cares? The Eve community lacks the normal gaming community problems of mass stupidity and gross immaturity but the largest flaw in the Eve community is how completely and pointlessly bitter the players get over things that DON'T FU^KING MATTER.


Christ !!! -someone actually having brains and using them !

+1 gazillion likes for you my friend.

brb

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-08-10 23:59:37 UTC
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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-08-11 00:36:03 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
free games are always terrible,,,because you must pay for good things in life. if its free, there's a reason. (its a turd, that possibly fell in the punch bowl)


MMO people always paid for extras, to China sweatshop farmers, now people pay for extras to game developers and allow others to play for free, resulting in a vibrant world full of players ... and people complain.

Clueless is clueless.


I don't want a welfare game that anybody can play.
I want a limited playerbase, why else would I be playing EVE?



You dont have to play it.

I know, it's a complex and difficult concept to understand, but give it a few years to sink in, and you'll get there skippy.