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Untouchable Heart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-08-10 14:30:45 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:


[That's possible threat deal with it or leave.


Q.F.T.

If you can't manage to deal with AFK cloakers go back to highsec.



I can manage them and you too. That was the question gunslinger alt ?
The question was inactive players why can manipulate active players game?
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#82 - 2012-08-10 14:43:36 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
Untouchable Heart wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
An AFK cloaker is not a threat, just like a logged off player is not a threat. The only way they could be a threat is if they are not AFK, in which case deal with it.

As for influencing other players: Welcome to EVE. Other people exist in the sandbox. Deal with it or leave.


And when you are in alone in a system which is infected by cloaker. You really will go to ratting!!!
REALLY!!!!
If you say yes you will lie. You dont know the cloaker AFK or not. So, you wont go NPCing. You just dont telling truth when you say, inactive players cant manipulate active players's game. with this bad gamemechanics.
So they are possible threats.


Again just for you, maybe you need repeated answer or you can't understand anything:

"We known active and passive terrors. Such a bomb threat, no matter the bomb is existing or not exising.
Just a stupid man would go in a marketplace where is a bomb threat. Cloaker in his solar system it's a same thing."

Why ? Because no one knows the bombs there or not.
Same when the players dont know the cloaker active there or not, AFK or not!!!

That's possible threat deal with it or leave.


Please don't call me a liar, especially since it isn't just me you're addressing but every single pilot in wormhole space. When we occasionally do pve we don't even know who is in local. We manage just fine. As do many pilots in nullsec. There are many ways to deal with "afk cloakers", hundreds, if not thousands of players have worked them out and use them often. You can too.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#83 - 2012-08-10 14:44:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Untouchable Heart wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:


[That's possible threat deal with it or leave.


Q.F.T.

If you can't manage to deal with AFK cloakers go back to highsec.



I can manage them and you too. That was the question gunslinger alt ?
The question was inactive players why can manipulate active players game?

They can't.

Unless they somehow hack into your game and make you dock up or whatever, you are the one doing it. You are the one hiding and losing money. You are the one being in terror while they sit there and do NOTHING. You cannot do something while doing NOTHING. It is an impossibility.

It is your own paranoia that causes you to dock up. Not the cloaker.


And Ribi, cap/fuel for cloaks is the worst idea for this ever. Not only would it be bottable, but it would destroy cloaking as a whole.


Edit: also, I have ratted with cloakies and hostiles in local (low, null, and possibly WH but not sure if they were there). Never once got hit. And if I had, worst loss would have been a T1 BC.
Untouchable Heart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-08-10 14:48:41 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
An AFK cloaker is not a threat, just like a logged off player is not a threat. The only way they could be a threat is if they are not AFK, in which case deal with it.

As for influencing other players: Welcome to EVE. Other people exist in the sandbox. Deal with it or leave.


And when you are in alone in a system which is infected by cloaker. You really will go to ratting!!!
REALLY!!!!
If you say yes you will lie. You dont know the cloaker AFK or not. So, you wont go NPCing. You just dont telling truth when you say, inactive players cant manipulate active players's game. with this bad gamemechanics.
So they are possible threats.


Again just for you, maybe you need repeated answer or you can't understand anything:

"We known active and passive terrors. Such a bomb threat, no matter the bomb is existing or not exising.
Just a stupid man would go in a marketplace where is a bomb threat. Cloaker in his solar system it's a same thing."

Why ? Because no one knows the bombs there or not.
Same when the players dont know the cloaker active there or not, AFK or not!!!

That's possible threat deal with it or leave.


Please don't call me a liar, especially since it isn't just me you're addressing but every single pilot in wormhole space. When we occasionally do pve we don't even know who is in local. We manage just fine. As do many pilots in nullsec. There are many ways to deal with "afk cloakers", hundreds, if not thousands of players have worked them out and use them often. You can too.



So you say, you will go to ratting when a cloaker in your system and you are alone there.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#85 - 2012-08-10 14:52:27 UTC
Untouchable Heart wrote:
....

So you say, you will go to ratting when a cloaker in your system and you are alone there.

Absolutely. Never fly what you can't afford to lose.

If I'm flying it, I expect that I will lose it. So I don't care who might blow it up.

Oh... you were asking Gunslinger...Oops
Untouchable Heart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-08-10 14:53:31 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Noob answer


So you say too, you will go to ratting when a cloaker in your system and you are alone there. Because you know the cloaker AFK or not. :P
I want your answer for this simple question.
Hun Jakuza
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-08-10 14:59:26 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
....

So you say, you will go to ratting when a cloaker in your system and you are alone there.

Absolutely. Never fly what you can't afford to lose.

If I'm flying it, I expect that I will lose it. So I don't care who might blow it up.

Oh... you were asking Gunslinger...Oops


This answer is another prime example of a noob teaching pros.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#88 - 2012-08-10 14:59:43 UTC
Untouchable Heart wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
An AFK cloaker is not a threat, just like a logged off player is not a threat. The only way they could be a threat is if they are not AFK, in which case deal with it.

As for influencing other players: Welcome to EVE. Other people exist in the sandbox. Deal with it or leave.


And when you are in alone in a system which is infected by cloaker. You really will go to ratting!!!
REALLY!!!!
If you say yes you will lie. You dont know the cloaker AFK or not. So, you wont go NPCing. You just dont telling truth when you say, inactive players cant manipulate active players's game. with this bad gamemechanics.
So they are possible threats.


Again just for you, maybe you need repeated answer or you can't understand anything:

"We known active and passive terrors. Such a bomb threat, no matter the bomb is existing or not exising.
Just a stupid man would go in a marketplace where is a bomb threat. Cloaker in his solar system it's a same thing."

Why ? Because no one knows the bombs there or not.
Same when the players dont know the cloaker active there or not, AFK or not!!!

That's possible threat deal with it or leave.


Please don't call me a liar, especially since it isn't just me you're addressing but every single pilot in wormhole space. When we occasionally do pve we don't even know who is in local. We manage just fine. As do many pilots in nullsec. There are many ways to deal with "afk cloakers", hundreds, if not thousands of players have worked them out and use them often. You can too.



So you say, you will go to ratting when a cloaker in your system and you are alone there.


I dont even know if there's a cloaky in my system because I live in wormholes. There might be zero, or one, or twenty cloaky T3s. I cope with it just fine though. As do many, many other players.

As for nullsec, it's arguably a bit easier: You have local to tell you exactly who is in system with you, and you have static routes and channels for intel about the region/routes and the activity.

To be honest, I don't even understand why we're discussing "AFK" cloakies - the issue, obviously, is an active cloaky. Might as well be discussing the hisec pilot who is logged off 30 jumps away; they both pose an equal threat: none.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#89 - 2012-08-10 15:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Untouchable Heart wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Noob answer


So you say too, you will go to ratting when a cloaker in your system and you are alone there. Because you know the cloaker AFK or not. :P
I want your answer for this simple question.

Yes... to the first question.

Rule #1 of EVE: don't fly what you cannot afford (or are unwilling) to lose.

I follow this rule, so I don't care if they may or may not be afk. I assume they are active, and continue with what I was doing.


Living in a WH for six months, you learn not to care.

But really, I will not let myself impact my gameplay because of what someone else is not doing.

Edit: one exception. There was one incident where someone who had been hunting me for a while came into the system (was in Avair I think...). I hightailed it out of there because I knew he was active and hunting.
Hun Jakuza
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2012-08-10 15:02:41 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Noob answer


So you say too, you will go to ratting when a cloaker in your system and you are alone there. Because you know the cloaker AFK or not. :P
I want your answer for this simple question.

Yes... to the first question.

Rule #1 of EVE: don't fly what you cannot afford (or are unwilling) to lose.

I follow this rule, so I don't care if they may or may not be afk. I assume they are active, and continue with what I was doing.


Living in a WH for six months, you learn not to care.

But really, I will not let myself impact my gameplay because of what someone else is not doing.



Oh nooooo. No this stupidity again.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#91 - 2012-08-10 15:03:49 UTC
Hun Jakuza wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Noob answer


So you say too, you will go to ratting when a cloaker in your system and you are alone there. Because you know the cloaker AFK or not. :P
I want your answer for this simple question.

Yes... to the first question.

Rule #1 of EVE: don't fly what you cannot afford (or are unwilling) to lose.

I follow this rule, so I don't care if they may or may not be afk. I assume they are active, and continue with what I was doing.


Living in a WH for six months, you learn not to care.

But really, I will not let myself impact my gameplay because of what someone else is not doing.



Oh nooooo. No this stupidity again.

So, making money while someone sits afk is stupid, but docking up while they are afk is smart?
Untouchable Heart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-08-10 15:17:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Untouchable Heart
Corina Jarr wrote:
Hun Jakuza wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Noob answer


So you say too, you will go to ratting when a cloaker in your system and you are alone there. Because you know the cloaker AFK or not. :P
I want your answer for this simple question.

Yes... to the first question.

Rule #1 of EVE: don't fly what you cannot afford (or are unwilling) to lose.

I follow this rule, so I don't care if they may or may not be afk. I assume they are active, and continue with what I was doing.


Living in a WH for six months, you learn not to care.

But really, I will not let myself impact my gameplay because of what someone else is not doing.



Oh nooooo. No this stupidity again.

So, making money while someone sits afk is stupid, but docking up while they are afk is smart?



Megalol . You are a noob player who everytime unnecessarily risk your ship ?
Maybe you are an oracle and you know the cloaker active or not. :PPP
I've never heard stupidest answer earlier.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#93 - 2012-08-10 15:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Untouchable Heart wrote:
....

Megalol . You are a noob player who everytime risk your ship ?
Maybe you are an oracle and you know the cloaker active or not. :PPP
I've never heard stupidest answer before.

No, I'm a semi-pro player who doesn't fly stupid, so I don't have to worry if I might lose my ship or not. Its not a risk if I expect to lose it. Just a bonus when I don't.
And no, as I've said, I don't know if they are active or not. I don't care.

Also please stop with the non constructive personal attacks based on false premises.
Untouchable Heart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-08-10 15:30:47 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
....

Megalol . You are a noob player who everytime risk your ship ?
Maybe you are an oracle and you know the cloaker active or not. :PPP
I've never heard stupidest answer before.

No, I'm a semi-pro player who doesn't fly stupid, so I don't have to worry if I might lose my ship or not. Its not a risk if I expect to lose it. Just a bonus when I don't.
And no, as I've said, I don't know if they are active or not. I don't care.

Also please stop with the non constructive personal attacks based on false premises.



No you are a noob player if you go and risk your ship unnecessarily everytime when a cloaker in your system.
Hun Jakuza
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-08-10 15:33:29 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
....

Megalol . You are a noob player who everytime risk your ship ?
Maybe you are an oracle and you know the cloaker active or not. :PPP
I've never heard stupidest answer before.

No, I'm a semi-pro player who doesn't fly stupid, so I don't have to worry if I might lose my ship or not. Its not a risk if I expect to lose it. Just a bonus when I don't.
And no, as I've said, I don't know if they are active or not. I don't care.

Also please stop with the non constructive personal attacks based on false premises.


http://www.doomsteaddiner.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Double-facepalm.jpg
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#96 - 2012-08-10 15:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Untouchable Heart wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
....

Megalol . You are a noob player who everytime risk your ship ?
Maybe you are an oracle and you know the cloaker active or not. :PPP
I've never heard stupidest answer before.

No, I'm a semi-pro player who doesn't fly stupid, so I don't have to worry if I might lose my ship or not. Its not a risk if I expect to lose it. Just a bonus when I don't.
And no, as I've said, I don't know if they are active or not. I don't care.

Also please stop with the non constructive personal attacks based on false premises.



No you are a noob player if you go and risk your ship unnecessarily everytime when a cloaker in your system.

Coming from and NPC corp alt.Lol Or main... might be a main...

Its not a risk. I risk nothing. I already expect to blow up. If it happens, no loss. If it doesn't, yahoo, next day.

Every time you undock, there is a chance you will die. A corpmate could come and blow you up. Spies, thieves, pirates, etc.
And since this is a game (hope no one forgot that bit) it is always an unnecessary risk.

Edit: also they are never my systems. I just visit. Usually I am the one intruding.

Edit2: have to run will be back later, enjoying the discussion... mostly.
Untouchable Heart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-08-10 15:47:03 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Untouchable Heart wrote:
....

Megalol . You are a noob player who everytime risk your ship ?
Maybe you are an oracle and you know the cloaker active or not. :PPP
I've never heard stupidest answer before.

No, I'm a semi-pro player who doesn't fly stupid, so I don't have to worry if I might lose my ship or not. Its not a risk if I expect to lose it. Just a bonus when I don't.
And no, as I've said, I don't know if they are active or not. I don't care.

Also please stop with the non constructive personal attacks based on false premises.



No you are a noob player if you go and risk your ship unnecessarily everytime when a cloaker in your system.

Coming from and NPC corp alt.Lol

Its not a risk. I risk nothing. I already expect to blow up. If it happens, no loss. If it doesn't, yahoo, next day.

Every time you undock, there is a chance you will die. A corpmate could come and blow you up. Spies, thieves, pirates, etc.
And since this is a game (hope no one forgot that bit) it is always an unnecessary risk.

Edit: also they are never my systems. I just visit. Usually I am the one intruding.

Edit2: have to run will be back later, enjoying the discussion... mostly.

Wait if i have neutral cloaker AFK alts i cant realize how big noob you are if you go and risk your ship unnecessarily everytime when a cloaker in your system.

Ubermegalol. :D
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#98 - 2012-08-10 15:55:22 UTC
Untouchable Heart wrote:


Megalol . You are a noob player who everytime unnecessarily risk your ship ?
Maybe you are an oracle and you know the cloaker active or not. :PPP
I've never heard stupidest answer earlier.


Did you really just say that anyone who risks their pixely spaceship is a "noob"?

It's only a game, man. I'd rather play a game with people who are willing to "risk" losing their imaginary spaceships in the name of fun than with people who will log off at the slightest whiff of danger.

Also, being able to reasonably judge a risk and make an informed decision about whether or not it is "worth" taking is not the act of a "noob". You may have got it a bit backwards, in fact.
Hun Jakuza
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2012-08-10 15:59:08 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
http://www.doomsteaddiner.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Double-facepalm.jpg


Wait, i'm coming from Stevie Wonder. :D
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#100 - 2012-08-10 16:02:56 UTC
New Eden, as seen by ribikoka et al: If you don't immediately dock up and log off as soon as you see another player, even one who isn't even at the computer, you must be a mega noob

7/10. lols were had. Threadlock plz.