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The idea i posted of course needs some balancing. I thought about the completely invisible timer after warp to help active cloacky scouts. They should not suffer too badly from the proposed mechanic that allows to scan the area of a cloacker.

Of course, this can be abused by scripts (aka bots), but that is against the eula and will hopefully get those people banned. To propose a valid mechanic, i just have to assume that everyone is playing by the rules (not botting). And you dont need a clocker to be invoulnerable by using such a script, it works with every ship that has a reasonable align time. warp around per script between a handful of good (unaligned) safespots, and noone will scan you down in time. The script could even create new safes in the process, if you really want to get down that road. If you care about cheaters, you will never find a viable solution. Thats the job of ccp.

Having a ship with an increased radius where it decloacks ships is the only chance to make the mechanic work as intended, even if you know the area where the cloacker is (50km radius for example), it is very hard to sweep that space with the current radius you need to get in. Just think of how many people you need to fly in formation to form a net that can effectively sweep a chunk of space. Especially if the target is moving and you only have a rough vector for his movement.

This could be a role for a frigate or destroyer hull, a small fast ship that isnt very useful for other things. This can be balanced to make fleet commanders think twice if they want to bring 20 of them for a roam just in case they see someone cloacking. The ship has to be made for that purpose, then it will be mainly used for search parties in own systems and not everywhere. A cheap hull can do this. Jump in, do the sweep, kill the afk cloacker, get another ship for your next roam.

The possibility to scan down the area where a cloacker is hiding is limited, you need a ship with scanner probes for that, and not every roaming fleet brings probers. So for the most part, nothing changes. But for defending a system, probing and sweeping ships can be combined to make the life for a cloacker harder and kill off all the afk cloackers.

Your idea is not bad, but better if you dont give to chance for botters. No chance to scripting = no cheats and don't need to resolve this problem.

You didnt read my first post, did you?
I am not speaking of a ship that can scan down probers and pinpoint their location, i am proposing a general mechanic that lets you probe down the area where a cloacky is.

Its not meant to give you a warpin on top of him, you will land like 20-50k off him, not knowing the exact location. Just that he is roughly in that area. You then have to sweep the whole space to find him, and if he is active, he will see what you are doing and either move around the sweeping ships or warp away.

No, that's wrong if you create an easily openable backdoor for cheaters and wait for CCP solution to solve this problem.
The fuel usage for cloak more better solution. There impossible to cheat.

No, I'm against the AFK tag because it it unnecessary and provides carebears (and bots) even more free intel and power. They should not have all this handed to them on a silver platter. If they are unwilling or unable to put in the time or effort required to prosper in 0.0/lowsec/wormholes that is their problem. I'm against other suggestions - such as "cloak fuel" or cloak-detecting-probes because they are quite frankly terrible ideas, and destroy several mechanics - and an entire region of space (wormholes).

As for afk players "terrorizing" people: No. You are wrong. A player who is not playing the game cannot, by definition, do anything to anyone. Nullbears terrorize THEMSELVES over this idiocy. Wormhole dwellers seem to cope, and cloakies are much larger threat in wormholes.

Calm down dear, I am at least attempting to have a somewhat constructive discussion, and to explain issues that would arise from some of the suggestions for "fixing" (not broken, none issue) 'afk cloakers'

Your post, however, was just a long string of ad hominem. It completely lacked any content what-so-ever.

If you're going to make the claim that players who are literally incapable of doing anything are "terrorizing" or otherwise influencing other players (and why that shouldn't be allowed) you may want to provide some evidence or logical arguments.

As for the carebears in null, I suggest they learn that they have more than one course of action upon seeing a singular extra name in local. They do not have to respond to that pilot by immediately docking/POSing up and logging off - they can do that if they wish, but that is only one of many choices they have, and they have no right to complain or demand gameplay mechanic changes.

Another user better explained all the other choices available to residents, such as continuing to rat anyway, or altering your fit to a more pvp-like fit to increase your chance of survival, or having friends in combat or logistics ships to help, etc. There are a lot of things residents can do to deal with the single extra pilot in local (who may not even be at the computer). You have a lot of options, so there is no need to "fix" what isn't broken.

An AFK cloaker is not a threat, just like a logged off player is not a threat. The only way they could be a threat is if they are not AFK, in which case deal with it.

As for influencing other players: Welcome to EVE. Other people exist in the sandbox. Deal with it or leave.

The enemy just open a cyno?.... i thought we were talking about AFK cloakers?



Um... I'm loosing track, why are you now talking about inactive players, you were clearly talking about an active player opening a cyno.

Once again, just like the multitude of posts on this subject, the real reason people are proposing all these nerf AFK cloaking posts is revealed. The 'solution' is always a nerf to all cloakers, even active ones. But the remove cloakers from Local, and thus making AFK cloaking useless (if he cant do anything due to being AFK, and you dont see him in local, then there is no AFK cloaking issue), is always shot down by the original requesters because they would no longer get the free intel that a person was in the system. And this would mean they would have to be more careful, and maybe do a little more work when ratting or mining. (which it appeares they dont want to be bothered with)

And when you are in alone in a system which is infected by cloaker. You really will go to ratting!!!
REALLY!!!!
If you say yes you will lie. You dont know the cloaker AFK or not. So, you wont go NPCing. You just dont telling truth when you say, inactive players cant manipulate active players's game. with this bad gamemechanics.
So they are possible threats.


Again just for you, maybe you need repeated answer or you can't understand anything:

"We known active and passive terrors. Such a bomb threat, no matter the bomb is existing or not exising.
Just a stupid man would go in a marketplace where is a bomb threat. Cloaker in his solar system it's a same thing."

Why ? Because no one knows the bombs there or not.
Same when the players dont know the cloaker active there or not, AFK or not!!!

That's possible threat deal with it or leave.

I have already cleaned this thread once, I do not expect to have to do it again. Some of you are sailing very close to the wind when it comes to personal insults, so please note that it is NOT allowed and if it starts to happen again I will just lock this thread.

Please stick to the topic at hand, leave personal insults in your head and stick to discussing the mechanics, that should be a fairly simple task - ISD Type40.