Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP needs to fix torps and cruise missiles first.

i also like the versatility of the typhoon. but i think its possibleto make it a even bigger wild card.
maybe allow it to fit split damage missiles and projectiles or fully missile or fully projectile or fully utility (with drones)
and give a bonus which can conplement all of that but not a weapon bonus. not really sure about that (tank, speed, web, maybe propulsion mod duration, maybe a bonus for the resi shifting hardener?)
balancing should be done with fitting. leave enough space for some interesting fittings but put some restriction onto that boat.
the typhoon wouldnt hit as hard as it does now, but thats ok i guess because right now its a thick brick and packs some serious punch while still have nasty tricks up the sleeve.

CCP needs to "fix" a lot of things but right now, it is most likely redundant to reiterate that right now.


As for the Typhoon, it is by far my favorite of the Battleships. I could care less about dmg and all the mainstream crap as it is by far a ship that truly isnt that predictable as other others.
That said, that brings me to the point that I'm not a fan of this "Torp/Painter" intention. Painting should be a job for cruisers and below; Vigil, Bellicose and their T2 variants.

The Torp-facemelter intention sounds great in terms of dealing damage but dep-down I find it doesn't fit the typhoon well. If I wante to be that torp-focused, I'd be going for a Raven; and I don't think it is a good idea to make some sort of Raven jr.

Ewar or something other than RoF/dmg is a good thing. I'm just not fond with yet-another-painting boat.


If we were to only have a choice of the support ewar other than painting, then I would choose Sensor Links range and magnitude bonus. it would at least give it a slight raise on "buddy support".
paint bonus may sound great but in the end, the target actually needs to be slowed down by webbing. Lets not forget that "everybody" is using MWD as a standard (ymmv)

I know tracking links isn't much of a help but there has to be more diversity and not just dmgdmgdmg.

I dont think torps are that bad. As long as target painting woould be boosted enough. Somethign like a 10% or even if possible 12.5% TP bonus per level would be enough to make it hit BC massively hard.

Missed my point a bit. I know what you mean, but allow me to emphasize on what I meant - my bad btw for not being thorough. I do not want to complicate things but I do find it necessary to explain a bit more .

To make it short in TL;DR form:
My sole point is that the dependancy for support should still remain.
Typhoon is a jack of all trades that should not excel that majorly in a task. Of course, we cannot deny CCP's intention that easily, but I find it is the wrong way to go to give the Phoon such an ability.

But don't take me wrong either.
I'm a Torphoonerd myself, but I find this Painting bonus would just make things too awesome.
The Turret RoF bonus doesn't really help of course in that case, so I know I'd be shooting myself in the foot to say that having a TP bonus is bad.
It can stay. It's just that I'd rather want a different bonus and still have the need for buddies to paint and/or web for me.




Thing is that we do not know what principle CCP would want to follow.
We do not know if it is:

A) Give the ships whatever awesomeness or direct focus bonuses on a given task
or
B) Give them only a bit so that they require help (aka support) from Support ships like Painters; Vigil, Bellicose etc

and a possible C) if the Lore would follow the "realism" philosophy of not being able to do everything possible or simply having Republic Fleet state "dude, our torp-phoons are awesome" and give them all the beef they want.


Alright, the recent CSM states there is some intention of giving the Typhoon a Torp + Painter bonus.
That would be A) - As an example, we have the Caracle that has both of its shipbonuses related to a specific subject; a dmg buff for missiles - and a missile velocity bonus for range etc. There are other ships that have that dual'ity, like Hurricane with the prominent Rate of Fire + Damage beef.

Personally, I'm not a fan of that.
Aside to that: For many people, "Fixing Torps" would just equal giving them more range, more speed, more explosion velocity, smaller explosion radius etc. Unfortunately, there is a thin line between balance and "fixing".

And there has to be a trade off somehow so that the torps are not just an I-WIN or that much superior over other weapon systems. It would be naive to say Torpedoes are fine, but as far as the need "to get a fix" - I think that is not that necessary at this point. And as one could easily say "There are other things to fix than stupid torps/cruise missiles".

It is probably more of another topic, but I really think we need (yet another) thread about how to fix Torps/cruiser Missiles - if it is really that big of a deal.


Personally, I am and I'd prefer the B) variant.
Phoon has Torps but not the essential webbing/TP to up the damage to oblivion.
Okay, taking it realistically, the Phoon would either have this TP bonus or the Webbing; but I seriously doubt that the webbing would happen as webbing is a very powerful crowd-control tool (even in its nerfed state).

I think the Breacher should get a TP bonus over the Vigil. Furthermore, I think that Minmatar should get TDs since they are the speed race.

The only evidence that needs to be looked at in order to know that torps are broken is this:

Who uses a torp fit ship for PvP?

Anyone? Ill wait...

Meanwhile, I like the Phoon for exactly the reason that no one knows how its fit when they see it running around. It can be fast and deadly and people often don't know what to expect. I would like to see it fixed to be more viable for solo/small gang pvp while maintaining that "x-factor" that people don't know what to expect.

I agree. Dont phuck with the phoon

Typhoon is fine.
Go fix something that is broken, CCP.