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a real gallente boost!
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2012-08-10 03:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
So from the changes in the frigs its logical to presume that we are going to see 10% bonus to internal amour repair amount per lev applied to ships like the brutix and hyperion...

This is really awesome for small to medium sized gangs as it will give said ships a strategic advantage... but for fleet fights alas this bonus becomes moot.


As far as i understand the effectiveness comes from how the Armour is made (dense crystals)... now presumably this special amour achieves a higher re cohesion when induced with nano repair bots that are emitted by the Armour repair systems...

Now what does this have to do with a large fleet you ask?



Well a huge component of fleet warfare is Remote Repair logi ships...

The basic mechanism (nano repair bots) are emited by both internal amour repair mods and remote armour repair mods...

Logically it would make sence that the bonus that allows internal amour repair mods to be more effective per level would also work external INCOMING remote repair. (i.e. the beam from the logi ship)

what this would do is scale the bonus and make gal ships with that bonus the "go-to" fleet ships...

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Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-08-10 04:01:31 UTC
Oh god the Maelstrom with a Shield Transfer Bonus...

I would prefer instead if resist bonuses were turned into HP amount bonuses so they don't effect local reps and RR.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#3 - 2012-08-10 04:09:20 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
So from the changes in the frigs its logical to presume that we are going to see 10% bonus to internal amour repair amount per lev applied to ships like the brutix and hyperion...


Is that so...

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#4 - 2012-08-10 04:27:50 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
So from the changes in the frigs its logical to presume that we are going to see 10% bonus to internal amour repair amount per lev applied to ships like the brutix and hyperion...


Is that so...


indeed... this was alluded to in the csm notes its only logical that after the ship balance if these ships do maintain a repair bonus that it would be upped to the new 10% standard...

by making this bonus also apply to external incoming remote repair...

this would give gallente a real fleet ship lineup... to which they are severely lacking atm...

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#5 - 2012-08-10 04:29:55 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Oh god the Maelstrom with a Shield Transfer Bonus...

I would prefer instead if resist bonuses were turned into HP amount bonuses so they don't effect local reps and RR.


not sure if i would extend this to shield based ships yet...

as far as i understand its the shield emitters that are better on minnie ships... so there is reason why external shield reps would get an increase...

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Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-08-10 04:52:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Error
They need to balance active tanking modules before they touch ship bonuses. Currently trying to active tank (non-ASB) a PvP ship without a resist or active tanking bonus is almost always terrible.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#7 - 2012-08-10 05:21:00 UTC
Honestly, I think gallente should get flat armor HP per lvl.Like 4% armor per lvl while amarr get 5% resist per lvl.
Josef Djugashvilis
#8 - 2012-08-10 05:29:23 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
So from the changes in the frigs its logical to presume that we are going to see 10% bonus to internal amour repair amount per lev applied to ships like the brutix and hyperion...

This is really awesome for small to medium sized gangs as it will give said ships a strategic advantage... but for fleet fights alas this bonus becomes mute.


As far as i understand the effectiveness comes from how the Armour is made (dense crystals)... now presumably this special amour achieves a higher re cohesion when induced with nano repair bots that are emitted by the Armour repair systems...

Now what does this have to do with a large fleet you ask?



Well a huge component of fleet warfare is Remote Repair logi ships...

The basic mechanism (nano repair bots) are emited by both internal amour repair mods and remote armour repair mods...

Logically it would make sence that the bonus that allows internal amour repair mods to be more effective per level would also work external INCOMING remote repair. (i.e. the beam from the logi ship)

what this would do is scale the bonus and make gal ships with that bonus the "go-to" fleet ships...


If I understood any of this, I would probably be in favour of itShocked

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Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-08-10 05:39:44 UTC
Points are moot.

People who can't talk are mute.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-08-10 05:49:40 UTC
This is actually a reasonable idea TBH.
Make the gallente rep bonus apply to RR (maybe with half effect?) and it would go a long way to making them useful in fleets.

Hell, would love to have a reason to actually use my astarte...

PS: under no circumstances should this ever apply to shield boost bonused ships.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#11 - 2012-08-10 12:03:18 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
This is actually a reasonable idea TBH.
Make the gallente rep bonus apply to RR (maybe with half effect?) and it would go a long way to making them useful in fleets.

Hell, would love to have a reason to actually use my astarte...

PS: under no circumstances should this ever apply to shield boost bonused ships.



This.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#12 - 2012-08-10 12:05:03 UTC
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Points are moot.

People who can't talk are mute.

Get it straight! Evil



Fixed thanks

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Roime
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Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-08-10 12:06:40 UTC
Not a new idea, but a very good one.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#14 - 2012-08-10 12:42:39 UTC
Roime wrote:
Not a new idea, but a very good one.


Indeed as long as it only affects gal ships I think this would be awesome...

I cant think of a reason why they would not do this...i

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#15 - 2012-08-10 12:48:48 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Roime wrote:
Not a new idea, but a very good one.


Indeed as long as it only affects gal ships I think this would be awesome...

I cant think of a reason why they would not do this...i


Can we give the Damnation an Honorary Gallente classification? You know, for the Armor related gang links.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#16 - 2012-08-10 15:33:13 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Roime wrote:
Not a new idea, but a very good one.


Indeed as long as it only affects gal ships I think this would be awesome...

I cant think of a reason why they would not do this...i


Can we give the Damnation an Honorary Gallente classification? You know, for the Armor related gang links.


Lol sure why not

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fukier
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-08-10 16:38:16 UTC
I am in love with this idea!

But it would have to be half the bonus for incomming remote repair. 25% sounds perfect!

The only other thing that would need to be done is an ammo boost. Give us a reason to use something other then anitmater/null and void!

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Gabriel Karade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2012-08-10 18:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabriel Karade
I've been thinking a similar thing, but rather than a Gallente specific bonus, make it that active personal armour reps boost the efficiency of incoming remote repair (“blah blah active repair, increased nano-bot efficiency *insert techno-babble* boosts repair amount…”).

Can't quite settle on a means (concept) for doing it though - one thought was to simply take [armour rep amount/duration = % boost] to incoming remote rep.

I.e. for an active Large Armour Rep II that would be +71%, on a Hyperion (at the moment) +98%.
(but you could scale it up/down, side to side whichever way you wanted to balance it vs. resistance tanks)

If you do it that way it then scales with size of armour rep (and by extension size of the ship) which kind of makes sense. Also it would only work while the personal rep is active, but because of that, it would have a larger effect on remote rep efficiency than adding a resistance mod (i.e. EANM II).

Could work, could even shake things up a bit, much like ASB’s.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#19 - 2012-08-11 18:51:49 UTC
you know what i like to see is a follow up dev blog from ccp tallest giving us an update on the numbers on how effective last years gal boost really was... and if there are any plans on iteration....

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2012-08-11 19:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Honestly, I think gallente should get flat armor HP per lvl.Like 4% armor per lvl while amarr get 5% resist per lvl.

^^ This.

I had the same idea long ago and ran some crude numbers. I found that a 7.5 to 10% armor HP bonus per level would be "just right" for ships like the Brutix and Hyperion.

edit: I also favor the option to change the Gallente Armor rep bonus to an received RR amount bonus. 5% per level should be more than sufficient given the cycle time of remote reps.

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