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Can CCP Offer Something Because of Barge Changes?
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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#21 - 2012-08-08 21:38:01 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong?

That isk had to be earned somewhere. It is no more free than the isk I get when I sell my mission loot.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#22 - 2012-08-08 21:38:15 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong?



Should CCP charge people ISK because their ships got buffed?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#23 - 2012-08-08 21:39:07 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
I
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)


Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it.

(Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.)
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-08-08 21:39:33 UTC
do you know who has 5,450 procurers?

come on, guess
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#25 - 2012-08-08 21:40:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kor Soluce wrote:
So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong?



Should CCP charge people ISK because their ships got buffed?


No, which I believe I already said. But offering a trade balances out that by allowing people to trade in their lower worth ship for the higher worth ship. This makes it so that people negatively effected by the market flux don't loose money.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-08-08 21:40:59 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
do you know who has 5,450 procurers?

come on, guess



the goonwaffe mentor wallet

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-08-08 21:41:07 UTC
why shouldn't they lose money
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-08-08 21:41:56 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
do you know who has 5,450 procurers?

come on, guess



the goonwaffe mentor wallet

those ******* guys always stealing my procurers
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-08-08 21:42:20 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
do you know who has 5,450 procurers?

come on, guess



the goonwaffe mentor wallet

those ******* guys always stealing my procurers


:smug:

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#30 - 2012-08-08 21:42:51 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
Kor Soluce wrote:
I
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)


Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it.

(Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.)


When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss.
Jim Era
#31 - 2012-08-08 21:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
*kor
o/ right here.
EVE has always been a game where you must go OUT of game in order to make the most of it.
However, the patchnotes can be found on your launcher* (I believe) and on CCP websites, not even 3rd party.
How you continue to play EVE without visiting sites amazes me. GJ

Wat™
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#32 - 2012-08-08 21:43:03 UTC
If someone did not have the foresight to check the forums for patch information in an MMO, they deserve not to reap the benefits.


Edit: Forum stop eating my posts with 404 errors!!!
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-08-08 21:45:49 UTC
When the speculators dump their stocks, look out.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Pipa Porto
#34 - 2012-08-08 21:48:34 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss.


It's also called an investment. Had you read the devblogs and patch notes, you could have made a fair bit of money (buy Skiffs at 80m, hold for 3 weeks, sell at 180m Lol).

The Devblogs and Patch Notes are Public, have always been public, and don't come out that often, so checking once a week will probably give you a pretty good heads up.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
El Cid Campeador
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-08-08 21:48:52 UTC
I think a real life comparison would be....

"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#36 - 2012-08-08 21:51:27 UTC
El Cid Campeador wrote:
I think a real life comparison would be....

"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"


There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-08-08 21:52:11 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
El Cid Campeador wrote:
I think a real life comparison would be....

"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"


There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.

there is no law called Ex Post Facto
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2012-08-08 21:52:49 UTC
the thing you are thinking of is wrong too
El Cid Campeador
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-08-08 21:54:16 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
El Cid Campeador wrote:
I think a real life comparison would be....

"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"


There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.


Wait so you are challenging people to troll you back?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#40 - 2012-08-08 21:55:26 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
I

On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.

Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!



You had the best yield ship yesterday.

You have the best yield ship today. C/D?

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