EVE General Discussion

I
Faking
Love
The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.

There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.

The side effect is what you bought before, and now what it does and is worth.

On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)

On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.

Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!

I would propose that for the next week, or some future finite time period, CCP should give all EVE players the option to trade any one mining barge for any one other mining barge. But only one, and only once. This remedies the issue of losing the purpose you bought our ship for or replaces the market value you could have gained.

I will now begin to mentally prepare myself for the oncoming shitstorm of people telling me how this ruins the veterancy system or some other crap. :P

EDIT:
Lemme just put what I would up saying farther down up here as well

I have no actual issue with the changes.
I have no actual issue with people being able to profit from the patch.
I have no actual issue waiting to but a new rig later on.
I do think there could have been better ways to handle this, I was suggesting one and why I felt that way.
You're all taking my suggestion like I'm making a demand, I am not. If I'm making it seem that way I apologize.

EDIT2:
Clearly the community is vehemently against my suggestion, and I'm not afraid to admit defeat.
So ... yeah. Obviously it was a bad idea. :P

If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you.

I am sure that some enterprising corporation will offer to trade ships at some convenient location.

oh look another mining whine thread


For the love of cornflakes and Abraham Lincolns mother..... listen closely cause Im only gonna say this once more

The barge changes are good for miners - good for EvE as a whole

If you want a new barge - BUY the damn thing - you should be able to with the changes they have made

I am a great big ass carebear myself and I embrace these changes as they will make mining and indy stuff easier and more profitable.

Hell i am even tempted for the first time to take a proc or skiff to low sec and do some mining (hears the clicking of keyboards as 1000 locator agents suddenly start searching for me)

Yeah, where DO they post the patch notes nowadays?
I wish someone would design launcher for eve or something, maybe put the important forthcoming changes in big white font on there so you can't miss the important and imminent changes....

Then allow me to make this perfectly clear for everyone. I don't have a problem with waiting and buying another mining barge for my ugly self. I do have a problem with a gaming company directly punishing/rewarding a player choice based on information that was not going to be seen by everyone. I'm sure a bunch of people are very happy for that free 150mil they were just handed. Now where's that guy whining at me about "Letting the players control the game". Uh-huh.

Wrong, if you play an MMO you should know that patches happen and any one patch can contain multiple changes that can and will affect your play style. If you are to lazy to take 2 minutes to look for upcoming patches you have no one to blame but yourself. You do not have to read forums, there is a blog and news page for Eve Online, just like every other MMO out there.

Hell, they even sent out emails with info on upcoming changes, so don't spout BS about "I didn't see changes because I don't read forums", there are plenty of other avenues out there to get information. I suggest you use them.

When supercarriers - costing upwards of 12 or 15 billion ISK each were nerfed, CCP did not give them a single ISK in compensation, as was onyl right and proper. No one else gets this special treatment you're asking for when their ships get rebalanced. Why should miners? Especially when they've received such a gigantic buff?

That would be far to easy to see and read. What kind of stuff are you smoking anyway?

What a daft lunatic. Take your silly idea over to the goat pen and tell the chickens.

Makes no sense... In a white box... Geeezzzz

So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong?