EVE General Discussion

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I'll explain once again, with my limited vocabulary, a few reasons why nerfing cloaking is indeed a bad idea. First of all, by doing so you're affecting something near and dear to me personally, wormhole life. By nerfing cloaking you're nerfing the ability of people to actually remain discreet in systems where there simply is no local. You're creating free intel for those unlucky, unfortunate or incapable of gathering it themselves. Wormholes are the last frontiers in Eve, any nerfs that simplify that or render it more "null-like" are simply an abomination to the spirit of the holes themselves.

You see, my cowardly little friend, life in wormholes is about constantly knowing that at any moment someone is about to drop out of cloak and make your life very interesting for a few minutes. You can take the best precautions available, you can roll every hole when you log in, you can have a person maintain a skynet of combats keeping a constant scan for new holes or ships, but there's always that risk that you missed something or someone. They're there, they see you and they're calculating whether they have time to jump your drake running that combat site, or to pop that covetor you're mining with at the grav they scanned while you were offline. You know what? People in wormholes don't spend thier days wasting away within the bubble of their pos whining on the forums that things are too dangerous. Not that I've seen... anyone else?

So that's the skinny of it. Null sec is supposed to be dangerous, not a carebear flowerbed of pansies and unicorns. If you want to risk running the sanctums, you need to take the appropriate precautions to do so. If there's a suspected afk cloaker, take the precautions against the "worst case scenario" as best as you can. Maybe your maximum dps PVE sanctum fit isn't really idea in this situation and you need a tweak or three "just in case". Maybe you need a friend or three along, someone on your side whose cloaked for example and ready to raise hell on any ship that attempts to decloak and interfere. Or maybe, as the "failed troll" post indicates, maybe you just need balls. Balls enough to get out there and do it anyhow, accepting the risk vs reward factor and having at it.

Regardless, you need to accept that living in null is inherent with risks. You can accept the risks and profit, or you can stay docked, whine on the forums and be forever seen as, well, a nutless coward.

Edit: As far as "why the angst"? If you hadn't noticed, it's who I am.

[quote=Gogurt]ITT: sensitive miner succumbs to space delirium, due to AFK person

…which, once again, shifts the question down the line: why is that needed?

There is already risk. Bring your fleet to take down the POS or capture the station system. Not impossible.

Not playing 20 questions.

1) I'm far from cowardly, you would find, if you actually knew anything about me.

2) I am well aware of wormhole life and its mechanics.

3) I always assume I will lose any ship I undock, even in high sec.

4) The reason I play the game is PvP. EVE PVE is beyond mind-numbingly boring

5) You should stop making unbased assumptions about forum posters, and rather than try to unsuccessfully attack the people posting the ideas, attack the idea.

6) Save the long winded wormhole mechanics explanation from your POV for a wiki, or someone who gives a damn about it. I already know game mechanics.

Removing local will not stop AFK cloaking.

That has already been talked about. We need to discuss removing the incentive to go away from the keyboard while cloaked in a hostile system.

But this affects active cloakers greatly in wormholes! You screw things up like this with your "massive cloak nerf bat". The problem regarding this auto-decloak in holes is that you take away the ambush. You can connect to a static, scan down the sites that need scanning, warp to one cloaked and simply wait. (Yes, you learn patience in the hole.) You may have to wait hours for the ambush to spring, it may never happen. However, being forced to warp all over the place while you're trying to wait is simply foolish and a poorly thought out response to a non-issue. Keep in mind, in a hole you may choose to afk at the ambush point for those hours, flipping over to an alt for example and doing other activities while you wait. You may want to take a bio, get some lunch, run to the store, then come back and see if the prey is in the trap. It could be hours, it could be minutes, it could be never. But, the fact remains that you're ill-though concept would destroy a perfectly viable and acceptible paradigm of wormhole existance, nerfing the inherent dangers in the systems.