EVE General Discussion

In a far too broad sense the reason would be to decloak and destroy those who are AFK. However such probes as described by that post would also able to be used against active cloakers with results that could disrupt viable tactics used by those in front of the PC.

I propose that instead of something that brings you on top of a cloaked ship for an instant decloak. Make the probe (With far longer scan time) decloak the ship only and after fair warning if given to the pilot (Assuming he is not AFK and cant read it) Forcing people that want to locate the AFK cloaker to use normal combat probes as well.

That makes only the one who is AFK in risk of being destroyed. The active cloaker will just warp off to reset the random point and come back. This will reward active cloak pilots without doing things that could suddenly decloak them in range of POS guns for instance.

Easiest way to solve the "AFK cloaking problem" - add a Idle status to people who don't give any input to the game after 10 minutes or so. I step away from my pc for 15 minutes, I get idle state. People in local can see that. I come back it goes away. Problem solved.

If you have a problem with cloakies in your carebear system you really should reconsider if 0.0 is the right place for you.
If you cant live with the risks in 0.0 go to empire.
Your choice.

How to deal with them cloakies :

Get organised ! Always be in a gang and on comms.
Park ur 2 bil tengu or mach and get in a cheap ship (drake) if you think you need to carebear.
Fit a (covert) cyno on your bait ship and have a counter ready when they try dropping you.
Get urself in a cloakie ship and cloak in your enemies systems. Counter (hotdrop) them.

But pls, stop whining !
0.0 - you choice.


Just my opinion.

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Rico, I've spent time down your area with ROL I spent time in Fountain before the Goon invasion hell count Delve,Syndicate, Etherum Reach and other places and how many AFK cloakers have I seen......2, and 1 got popped after 3 days. Christ you travel through 0.0 and are lucky if you can count 30 people through 40 systems.

AFK cloaking is not the problem it's players aversion to having to work for isk or supposedly living in the dangerous space that is known as 0.0 but don't actually want it to be "that" dangerous.

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I'll explain once again, with my limited vocabulary, a few reasons why nerfing cloaking is indeed a bad idea. First of all, by doing so you're affecting something near and dear to me personally, wormhole life. By nerfing cloaking you're nerfing the ability of people to actually remain discreet in systems where there simply is no local. You're creating free intel for those unlucky, unfortunate or incapable of gathering it themselves. Wormholes are the last frontiers in Eve, any nerfs that simplify that or render it more "null-like" are simply an abomination to the spirit of the holes themselves.

You see, my cowardly little friend, life in wormholes is about constantly knowing that at any moment someone is about to drop out of cloak and make your life very interesting for a few minutes. You can take the best precautions available, you can roll every hole when you log in, you can have a person maintain a skynet of combats keeping a constant scan for new holes or ships, but there's always that risk that you missed something or someone. They're there, they see you and they're calculating whether they have time to jump your drake running that combat site, or to pop that covetor you're mining with at the grav they scanned while you were offline. You know what? People in wormholes don't spend thier days wasting away within the bubble of their pos whining on the forums that things are too dangerous. Not that I've seen... anyone else?

So that's the skinny of it. Null sec is supposed to be dangerous, not a carebear flowerbed of pansies and unicorns. If you want to risk running the sanctums, you need to take the appropriate precautions to do so. If there's a suspected afk cloaker, take the precautions against the "worst case scenario" as best as you can. Maybe your maximum dps PVE sanctum fit isn't really idea in this situation and you need a tweak or three "just in case". Maybe you need a friend or three along, someone on your side whose cloaked for example and ready to raise hell on any ship that attempts to decloak and interfere. Or maybe, as the "failed troll" post indicates, maybe you just need balls. Balls enough to get out there and do it anyhow, accepting the risk vs reward factor and having at it.

Regardless, you need to accept that living in null is inherent with risks. You can accept the risks and profit, or you can stay docked, whine on the forums and be forever seen as, well, a nutless coward.

Edit: As far as "why the angst"? If you hadn't noticed, it's who I am.

…which just shifts the question down the line: why is that needed?

To provide risk to AFK cloaking. While preventing too much harm being those who want to remain at their computers while cloaked.

EDIT: Rhinanna while you make some good points we ought to focus on the topic and leave the various insults out of it. We can provide viable solutions to the issue of AFK cloaking without resulting to violating forum rules.

Tbh the only problem i see is with being able to maitain a point while lighting a cyno. Either one or the other. And being able to prevent an anomaly from despawning simply by being there cloaked but that is a game limitation that the devs sell as a "feature", or "accepted tactic" because they have no idea how to fix it.

Anything else is perfectly fair game to me.

AFK cloakers can prevent anomalies from despawning, therefore eliminating high-level anomalies entirely, from systems just by being there AFK. I know. I do it.

So the argument that AFK cloakers cannot do anything while AFK is a false one.

…which, once again, shifts the question down the line: why is that needed?[/quote]

How do you propose to add risk to sitting in a POS? Or sitting in a station?