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EVE Online: Inferno 1.2 to be deployed on Wednesday, August 8

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Andrew DuLac
LA MEGADITTA
#161 - 2012-08-08 12:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew DuLac
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.

if everything works this will be one of the most awesome patches ever.

The redesign of the ui in-space, on the market and in the skill's show info menu are wonderful.
And the redesign of the mining ships was a problem that really needed to be solved.

gj CCP - you know how to do your job.

(hoping that this will not make some **** bug on other things Roll)
Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2012-08-08 12:20:09 UTC
A decrease in the cargohold of the Amarr rookie ship is unacceptable.

Seriously, I now need Cyno V to be able to use a rookie ship for a cyno? (or fit a cargohold expander), making any amarr cyno chars 100% difficult to use compared with all the other races.

Come on CCP, why the hell did you decrease the cargohold by 5 m3?

CCP, please fix this! Give us the old cargohold size of 120 m3 back!
Andrew DuLac
LA MEGADITTA
#163 - 2012-08-08 12:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew DuLac
Zilero wrote:
A decrease in the cargohold of the Amarr rookie ship is unacceptable.

Seriously, I now need Cyno V to be able to use a rookie ship for a cyno? (or fit a cargohold expander), making any amarr cyno chars 100% difficult to use compared with all the other races.

Come on CCP, why the hell did you decrease the cargohold by 5 m3?

CCP, please fix this! Give us the old cargohold size of 120 m3 back!


Zilero, please.

If you have the money for fitting a cyno ship and buying the fuel, you have the money for a hauler frigate too. how much could it cost? 500k isk?
Indalecia
#164 - 2012-08-08 12:27:02 UTC
Andrew DuLac wrote:
Zilero wrote:
A decrease in the cargohold of the Amarr rookie ship is unacceptable.

Seriously, I now need Cyno V to be able to use a rookie ship for a cyno? (or fit a cargohold expander), making any amarr cyno chars 100% difficult to use compared with all the other races.

Come on CCP, why the hell did you decrease the cargohold by 5 m3?

CCP, please fix this! Give us the old cargohold size of 120 m3 back!


Zilero, please.

If you have the money for fitting a cyno ship and buying the fuel, you have the money for a hauler frigate too. how much could it cost? 500k isk?


You're missing the point. Of all the rookie ships, why should *only* the Amarr one not be able to do it?

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Bangas N'mash
Fenris Polaris
#165 - 2012-08-08 12:29:32 UTC
Because God hates Amarr. And apparently so do CCP Lol
Andrew DuLac
LA MEGADITTA
#166 - 2012-08-08 12:30:06 UTC
Indalecia wrote:
Andrew DuLac wrote:
Zilero wrote:
A decrease in the cargohold of the Amarr rookie ship is unacceptable.

Seriously, I now need Cyno V to be able to use a rookie ship for a cyno? (or fit a cargohold expander), making any amarr cyno chars 100% difficult to use compared with all the other races.

Come on CCP, why the hell did you decrease the cargohold by 5 m3?

CCP, please fix this! Give us the old cargohold size of 120 m3 back!


Zilero, please.

If you have the money for fitting a cyno ship and buying the fuel, you have the money for a hauler frigate too. how much could it cost? 500k isk?


You're missing the point. Of all the rookie ships, why should *only* the Amarr one not be able to do it?


Ok so now i could say: why you cannot skill other races frigate too? For a cyno. level 1 or 2 are more than sufficient.
If want to talk about equality, ok, you win. But in any case the problem doesn't really exist.
Saile Litestrider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#167 - 2012-08-08 12:34:26 UTC
Indalecia wrote:
Andrew DuLac wrote:
Zilero wrote:
A decrease in the cargohold of the Amarr rookie ship is unacceptable.

Seriously, I now need Cyno V to be able to use a rookie ship for a cyno? (or fit a cargohold expander), making any amarr cyno chars 100% difficult to use compared with all the other races.

Come on CCP, why the hell did you decrease the cargohold by 5 m3?

CCP, please fix this! Give us the old cargohold size of 120 m3 back!


Zilero, please.

If you have the money for fitting a cyno ship and buying the fuel, you have the money for a hauler frigate too. how much could it cost? 500k isk?


You're missing the point. Of all the rookie ships, why should *only* the Amarr one not be able to do it?

This was specifically mentioned by the devs. They said that while rookie ship cynos were allowed and even encouraged, they are not specifically supported and did not enter into their design decisions.
Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2012-08-08 12:34:50 UTC
I can skill the frigate, but transporting a ship to a remote location takes up much more cargo space than just transporting a cyno module.

Before the patch, in order to use a rookie ship as a cyno ship you needed:

1x Cyno module
1x Micro Aux module

Cyno IV skill.

After the patch, caldari + minmatar + gallente needs:

1x cyno module

Cyno IV skill.

Whereas the amarr now needs:

1x cyno module
1x cargohold expander (does not matter which, T1 is fine).

Cyno IV skill.



Do you see the problem now?
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#169 - 2012-08-08 12:42:36 UTC
"Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations. The old effect of segregating corporations by races is gone, so all corporations can have all races, always. The skill now reduces the cost to hire allies in war. The skill will not be reimbursed as it is not being removed, but changed."

Once again CCP misses the mark. This is a totally different skill now. This should have been reimbursed. People that needed Diplo Relat could have reinvested the SP. CCP was just being lazy on this.
Andrew DuLac
LA MEGADITTA
#170 - 2012-08-08 12:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew DuLac
Zilero wrote:
I can skill the frigate, but transporting a ship to a remote location takes up much more cargo space than just transporting a cyno module.

Before the patch, in order to use a rookie ship as a cyno ship you needed:

1x Cyno module
1x Micro Aux module

Cyno IV skill.

After the patch, caldari + minmatar + gallente needs:

1x cyno module

Cyno IV skill.

Whereas the amarr now needs:

1x cyno module
1x cargohold expander (does not matter which, T1 is fine).

Cyno IV skill.



Do you see the problem now?


Are you telling me that instead of carrying a micro aux, you now must carry a cargo exp. and is this the problem?
On the big number, maybe.... but why all this mess for 5 m3? (not expert of cynos)

KIller Wabbit wrote:
"Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations. The old effect of segregating corporations by races is gone, so all corporations can have all races, always. The skill now reduces the cost to hire allies in war. The skill will not be reimbursed as it is not being removed, but changed."

Once again CCP misses the mark. This is a totally different skill now. This should have been reimbursed. People that needed Diplo Relat could have reinvested the SP. CCP was just being lazy on this.


This could be useful in wars. very useful. but, for a normal corp that skilled this for simply have more members, yes, you're right.
Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-08-08 12:45:06 UTC
I am telling you that AMARR chars now need to carry something extra which the gallente, caldari and minmatar do NOT need to.

It is not a change from before in terms of mods needed, but somehow the other races are now different in their needs making it... idiotic.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#172 - 2012-08-08 12:45:46 UTC
BTW - Everyone remember to clear all your cache files before you start the game. I'm sure there are plenty of bugs you'll PvB with if you don't.
Andrew DuLac
LA MEGADITTA
#173 - 2012-08-08 12:47:05 UTC
Zilero wrote:
I am telling you that AMARR chars now need to carry something extra which the gallente, caldari and minmatar do NOT need to.

It is not a change from before in terms of mods needed, but somehow the other races are now different in their needs making it... idiotic.


yeah amarr now seems a little less talented...
Sunrise Omega
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2012-08-08 12:48:20 UTC
Zilero wrote:
A decrease in the cargohold of the Amarr rookie ship is unacceptable.

Seriously, I now need Cyno V to be able to use a rookie ship for a cyno? (or fit a cargohold expander), making any amarr cyno chars 100% difficult to use compared with all the other races.

Come on CCP, why the hell did you decrease the cargohold by 5 m3?

CCP, please fix this! Give us the old cargohold size of 120 m3 back!


A better question is "why should rookie ships be usable as cyno beacons?". None of them should have the cargo space to run a cyno.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#175 - 2012-08-08 12:57:55 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Herucle Custeau wrote:
I agree with the above poster.
Why remove "Details" in the Standing Transactions window for npcs. It works on Tranquility now, and now all the standings transactions are going to be a big mystery, because I can't see the reason now.
I can't see any transaction details on Sisi now, and I am really going to miss them.

People are going to end up with -10 in faction standing, and they are not going to see which npcs or structures they shot to get there. It was really useful to see those things when i was a newbie.

Please bring back the Transactions Details window for Standing Transactions for npcs, npc corporations, and factions.


I messed up, I didn't realize they were used for NPC standings. I'll fix it as soon as I can on Tuesday (Monday is holiday). If you'd file a bug report it would speed up the process (F12 - bug report). Thanks!


Punkturis trolls!!

She knows the process will take several weeks. Twisted
lifer Hinken
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#176 - 2012-08-08 13:07:56 UTC
Did I miss something? Where are the new Mining (ORE) Frigs?
Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2012-08-08 13:08:03 UTC
Sunrise Omega wrote:


A better question is "why should rookie ships be usable as cyno beacons?". None of them should have the cargo space to run a cyno.


That I can't answer, but since it is possible why was amarr rookie ships nerfed and not the others? :S
Andrew DuLac
LA MEGADITTA
#178 - 2012-08-08 13:10:21 UTC
lifer Hinken wrote:
Did I miss something? Where are the new Mining (ORE) Frigs?


they're not mentioned in the patch
lifer Hinken
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#179 - 2012-08-08 13:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: lifer Hinken
Where they not talking about releasing them on this patch? CCP, when will they be seeded?
Eli Williams
Goats With Frickin' Rocket Launchers
#180 - 2012-08-08 13:14:47 UTC
Zilero wrote:
Sunrise Omega wrote:


A better question is "why should rookie ships be usable as cyno beacons?". None of them should have the cargo space to run a cyno.


That I can't answer, but since it is possible why was amarr rookie ships nerfed and not the others? :S


Amarr have the best carrier, so now they have the worst noob ship. Seems more than fair to me.