Ships & Modules

Those are launchers?

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I think it looks silly now. I imagined the Rifter to be a small, agile, bootstrapped ship with a cockpit instead of a bridge, that escapes it's Amarran overlords by ducking under their guns and hiding in space debris. Then ambushes them with big machine guns bolted onto it's side.

I notice the Freki on SiSi is the original size. It wasn't broke, no fix needed.



Maybe this was some way of making Rifter pilots not feel gypped by the last ship rebalance.


Please change it back, it's meant to be small.

This, I like the rifter. When ships get too small it's impractical to even see them on screen.

I mentioned this in several threads already that the Rifter and variants have grown from 56m to 139m. It is by far the largest frigate out there now. I think the reason they increased its size was to fit the new launcher models and fix some issues with the turrets clipping through the model, BUT I think they over did it and it needs to be scaled back down some.

A dev mentioned on another post that they are still tweaking and reworking a lot of the models. Eventually each ship class will be more uniform in size.

I can understand the Thrasher being as big as a Cruiser. It holds 8 weapon hardpoints after all. Now the Rifter, or any other frigate that mounts only 3 or 4 weapons and is twice as fast and maneuverable, having a model the same size does not make sense. I'm hoping for a small redesign.

The old Rifters guns had massive clipping issues. The ones on the front stuck out through the vent thingys, and the ones on the side were hardly attached. I think the size increase was a decent compromise between leaving it broken and designing a new model with proper hardpoints...

I am going to chime in on this only because I have an alt that has a rifter, thrasher, and cane in the hangar - pre patch things ther rifter was a tad small to the guns... but not overly so... it did look alot like a very small ship with big guns on it... then the patch hit.

Now this how I see it in the hangar with these three ships as you change between them:

Cane to Thrasher... The Trasher is HUGE... it's actually massing (though shorter than, but bulkier) than the Cane... that means the Destroyer is almost as big as a battlecruiser... and the guns on it looks tiny... and then you compare the Thrasher to the rifter and the Rifter is huge also and compare it to the cane and it's gigantic to a BC hull.. and the guns look tiny...

Here would be my solution:

Make both the thrasher and the rifter at the mid-point between the old (very small) and new (huge) point... this would put the cane as the default size for BC hull for minnies - then the thrasher would be about 1/2 the length of a BC and 2/3rds of a Cruiser... but massing enough to fill the role and the guns (small) would look right on the hull... then the same with the Rifter making it 2/3rds the size of a Destroyer hull and 1/3rd the length of a BC... which would make it look proportionals and the small turrets would also not look to big (old version) or too tiny (new version) but as they probably should have looked in the first place.

Still, you'd expect the classes to be noticeably different in size. Right now there to much of a discrepancy between sig size and actual size, a frig should feel tiny compared to a BC.

The hilarious part about rifter size is that the signature is only 35 points. The only t1 matari frig with smaller sig is slasher with 30 points.

Because this isn't a fighter jet game. I know my personal preference is to bigger ships and Frigates have always been too small. Fighter jets belong in games like X-Wing.

Gun Sizes should be based on the gun size. Right now those turrets are too small for a cannon that rapidly fires 125-200mm Shells and is way to small for Artillery. What is more Frigates that hold Drones are too small to hold them.

Basing a ship size directly on the sea role isn't something that should happen because Cruisers have 3-4 times the volume of RL Battleships. Doesn't mean they have to be tiny though.