EVE General Discussion

Wouldn't that be an improvement over the current situation, where no-one particularly cares about killing the guy, nor do they particularly try…?

No silly: Op is asking for OBLs to be able to walk around Time Square with a big crosshair on their back and in a pinata costume surrounded by potentially 10 000 people who can legally stab, club and shoot him to death. Oh yeah, and just in case he does anything fishy, Police is following the whole scenario with 10 snipers. You know, just in case.

From a personal standpoint, I like the idea. The only reason I maintain sec status is to be able to move ships around without faction police molestation.

From a game balance perspective, it's silly. You take all the penalty out of being -10. There's no tradeoff anymore, you just go -10 and have your fun. You can go ninja salvaging forever without worrying about NPCs.

Obviously you want the fights, so trolling around in highsec with a target on your back doesn't scare you. Why should being -10 be easy?

Hi-sec wasn't designed to be a good guys vs. badguys warzone, that's lowsec.

CCP, please think of the carebear mission runner who spends months in caldari space, only to decide to run missions for the gallente and find his overpriced mission boat being ganked by the gallente navy! Pity the bears!

(yes, I actually know of this happening to someone, I watched a Golem get popped on a gate because he didn't understand what was happening)

What exactly would these gangs do when they got to empire? They can't do anything until someone engages them.

Suicide gank, which has been "carefully balanced" to ensure they won't make profit.

NO the OP only wants to grief preferably kill things that can't shoot back just to hurt their playing experience, it is the only thiong that interests him griefing without having to take risks he doesn't care that this game is more than just ganking others , he doesn't care that other people want to play this game their way and not his , he doesn't care about balance
that concord blows up hios ship that is a game mechanic he can't avoid , tho he probably dreams about a universe without concord

i think he is a coward in this game who is afraid of actual real pvp against a real player therefore prefers to pick on things that can't shoot back but wants this as easy as possible since he can't find the I WIN button

Now I'm pretty sure you don't understand what is being discussed.

'Just want to kill things that can't shoot back'
Well, yes, but that has nothing to do with this thread.

By definition, the only people that are going to get shot at - are people that decide to shoot at pirates first - and even then, ONLY by the person they chose to engage.

Concord doesn't even come into it, they are not being changed at all. They still kill anyone that initiates combat against a non-outlaw. Its like you got ganked and are still so angry about it you are failing to use reason.

If said idea was implemented, low and null would be drastically more desolate than they are now. (would that benefit the bears or the pirates more I wonder) This would bring forth a dramatic increase in gang roaming around already highly populated areas.

Not considering game mechanics (including crime watch and security status rules,) but simple anthropology, the predators would overwhelm the newcomer systems, near and far, any way they can. It's quite simple, the would-be bully, would find any way he/she can to initiate a combat situation with someone far less skilled than the other. "hey 1 month old char! i'm red you can shoot me!" BANG! *blows up 1 month old char* "WELCOME TO THE SANDBOX NOOB! LAAAWWWLL! thanks for the tears!" It doesn't really matter to the majority of the 'predators' who or how they killed to get the swelling numbers accrued on the kill-boards. The kill-boards do not recognize any discrepancies other than 1000 points is greater than 10 points, only someone with a modicum of sense would research the portfolio.

All that being puked on this thread, there's a reason for having high security systems regulated by NPC driven security. High security space, all of it really, is supposed to be the starting ground for players coming into the game (may take a year, may be never) before they partake the adventure that is to be beheld in low and null security systems. step one, begin your journey in high sec, step 2, become bored and seek adventure into low security, step 3, low sec survival attained! what's next!? The conquest of your fortune and glory in Null!

But I will give you one thing that's evident from your idea. If implemented, there would be an influx of vigilantes, such as Lady Spank, hunting pirates down. However, I'm not sure if that would benefit the whole game plan CCP has in mind.

TLDR: Removal of navy and implementation of Herr's idea would not benefit the game.

I understand where you are coming from. Unfortunately, saying it's okay for (using a 'Back to the Future' reference) for Biff to call McFly a derogatory name to get him to punch Biff in order to reverse blame. Only opens the door to more harassment. It seems like a loophole, not a fix. While I'm sure that you believe that YOU will skate the edge of the rules if your idea went into effect, does not hold true for the rest of the other "pirates."

I'm under the assumption the last thing CCP needs is to read in a blog or E-article about some guy who spent his first weeks in EvE being ping ponged by flashing reds. "Guys, here's the gist about EvE, it promises space survival and flying spaceships but all I've seen thus far is Pirates after pirates after pirates egging me on to fight them. Don't play this game, it has nothing to do with space faring." Then the aftershock of the implementation of your idea brings reversal of the said idea. kind of a waste of time wouldn't you think?