EVE General Discussion

Sorry for not clarifying, I didn't think I needed to. I meant video games, not real world sports. That's a different story.

Incorrect. Last we saw any numbers, it was more alive than ever, having broken the 400k subs line and still going up.

So are all of yours. The difference is that my “assumptions” are not assumptions, but facts. If you want to argue these facts, do so, and stop with the red herrings. Answer the question: what else would it be? Do the comparisons with other games that have come and gone.

Sure, as soon as you point to one showing that game and relaxation are equivalent. Also, while you're at it, produce one that shows that relaxation comes in only one form.

Tough. It should be simple enough. EVE has produced mass-media coverage of a kind that no other game manages.

Wow. Numbers really aren't your thing, are they?

No. We hit a peak in 2011, which was killed by Incursion, Incarna and a general lack of attention to the core (PvP) gameplay of the game. This decline was reversed at the mere hint of more core-gameplay focus in Crucible, and at the same time, the subscription numbers shot right up again.

As for the discussion on the forum, they are the same as always, except that the highsec whiners have maybe become a bit more loud and obnoxious in the incessant entitlement issues. The noise has also increased as subscription numbers have increased, which is hardly surprising — more people = more shouting.

Good thing that I didn't, then. I simply took your words and applied them to the actual context and state of the game and its community.

I even managed to do it without resorting to insults.

no, hes right, it is a stupid comparison.

EVE is actually the game bad mmo players eventually arrive at once they have have gotten **** on in other more skill demanding games. EVEs only real niche, if you can even call it that, is spaceships. If you like spaceships, then eve is a good mmo to play.

Anyone crying about the game being dumbed down for bad players makes the statement in irony. The game is already designed for bad players. If you want a truly skill-based mmorpg with full loot, no safety zones, territorial control and clan warfare, you play Darkfall.

Nah. If you like spaceships, there are a couple of games out there.

EVE's niche is the standard marquee selling point: single-shard full-PvP sandbox. It's also rather famous for being fiendishly complex, which I suppose might appeal to the “challenge me” crowd, but I'm not sure it's really a niche in the strictest sense.

are you unironically trying to say that EVE's steep learning curve now isn't just being able to join the right blob with enough ass kissing?

it depends on how you define skill, you define skill as general competency. I define skill as quick reflexes, accuracy, use of terrain, motion prediction, map awareness, game sense and actions per minute, all of which are totally irreleveant in EVE gameplay.

If so many eve pirates weren't so awful at skill-based games, you would all be playing darkfall, except those who limit themselves to space games only.

Ass kissing eh... hm

They lured me to EVE, so I don't know if that applies.

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EVE's "steep learning curve" was mostly a matter of it's notoriously deficient and inaccurate documentation.

Evidence the number of "vets" complaining that new tool tips and tutorials are "dumbing down" the game.

Even Checkers can be hard if you refuse to tell people where the board is.