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CCP you lost allready much of faith and trust in you
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#41 - 2012-08-06 22:05:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Faith in CCP? You must be playing for less than 2 years.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#42 - 2012-08-06 22:12:02 UTC
So CCP meta-ganked miners.

This is a surprise because?

Profit favors the prepared
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-08-06 22:12:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
FYI, 30k tank = at least 3 t2 tornados, something that never happens.

Thanks for the orientation Baltec! This is the main reason I wanted real numbers. So we could look at the situation realistically.

There is the one guy who said his Mack (I think) was only at 15K EHP. I think he must have tried to squeeze out some yield and sacrificed tank. The builds I tested in SiSi were as much tank as CPU and cap allowed for.

The Mack actually blows for yield due to CPU constraints = limited MLU's. In fact, one MLU wipes out a significant qty of EHP due again to CPU constraints, not the loss of a low slot.

So like I said, let's wait and see how the "new new" Mack holds up. I seem to be a gank magnet, so I'll post survivability results once someone makes a gank attempt. But they will face our fleet with a Perfect Orca pilot + Shield Harmonizer II + spider tanking. Somehow I have a feeling the gank teams will be looking for Hulks ... fleeted or not, Hulks are gonna go down ...

See you guys in the belts on Wednesday !!!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#44 - 2012-08-06 22:30:16 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
The Mack actually blows for yield due to CPU constraints = limited MLU's. In fact, one MLU wipes out a significant qty of EHP due again to CPU constraints, not the loss of a low slot.

Heh. So it sounds like the balancing threw choices back at the miners...

And they took the yield.

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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#45 - 2012-08-06 22:49:39 UTC
So miners get huge HP buff yet are stll crying and losing faith in ccp. Interesting... it's like that manifesto writing guy was right all along Lol
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#46 - 2012-08-06 22:54:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Ludi Burek wrote:
So miners get huge HP buff yet are stll crying and losing faith in ccp. Interesting... it's like that manifesto writing guy was right all along Lol

Uh oh....

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-08-06 23:08:33 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
So miners get huge HP buff yet are stll crying and losing faith in ccp. Interesting... it's like that manifesto writing guy was right all along Lol

If the 30k number is correct then only the Skiff/Proc got any real buff as the Mack just got a portion of the hulks old role with the same tank.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2012-08-06 23:10:36 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
So miners get huge HP buff yet are stll crying and losing faith in ccp. Interesting... it's like that manifesto writing guy was right all along Lol

If the 30k number is correct then only the Skiff/Proc got any real buff as the Mack just got a portion of the hulks old role with the same tank.

Isn't mack for the big ore hold, while skiff is for tank?

That makes sense then.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#49 - 2012-08-06 23:21:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Close your account, un-install the client, and take your unending putrid whining elsewhere.

2/10.

Next!

E:

GANK ALL THE THINGS!!!!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2012-08-06 23:22:39 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Close your account, un-install the client, and take your unending putrid whining elsewhere.

2/10.

Next!

2/10 huh.

Does it really deserve such a low score?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#51 - 2012-08-06 23:25:33 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Close your account, un-install the client, and take your unending putrid whining elsewhere.

2/10.

Next!

2/10 huh.

Does it really deserve such a low score?


Actually, I was feeling generous only on account of all the responses:

No style, less originality, too overtly whiny.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#52 - 2012-08-06 23:29:55 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Actually, I was feeling generous only on account of all the responses:

No style, less originality, too overtly whiny.

I took a look at it again.

Yeah, you were right on. My bad.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#53 - 2012-08-06 23:34:52 UTC
They look fine to me.


Only issue I have is with dumb miners making life harder on the rest of us, but CCP can't patch stupid.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-08-06 23:38:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
So miners get huge HP buff yet are stll crying and losing faith in ccp. Interesting... it's like that manifesto writing guy was right all along Lol

If the 30k number is correct then only the Skiff/Proc got any real buff as the Mack just got a portion of the hulks old role with the same tank.

Isn't mack for the big ore hold, while skiff is for tank?

That makes sense then.

If I recall correctly, when the change was first announced the Mach was supposed to have more tank than the hulk as the hulk was supposed to have the support of a fleet for protection. Not saying it's necessary considering the Skiff, but if the Hulk/Mack tanks are the same then the original statements were deviated from and you fundamentally have the "fleet protection" tank on the "solo" hull.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#55 - 2012-08-06 23:42:37 UTC
Anyone else getting weird EHP fluctuations on TQ? Mine keeps going up or down about 10k at random.
Spurty
#56 - 2012-08-06 23:51:53 UTC
Stop flying mining ships and you'll never lose one.

I find this advice to be 100% reliable

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-08-06 23:57:04 UTC
3/10

I personally thought it was a 1/10, but you managed to get enough replies that it became clear that my initial verdict was incorrect.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#58 - 2012-08-07 02:15:56 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
posting in a stealth eve is dying thread


Is that what this thread is about? All I knew is that I smelled alcohol and poop when I came in. I'm gonna leave before I am asked to deal with either.

John Hancock
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#59 - 2012-08-07 02:26:54 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Urgg Boolean wrote:
The Mack actually blows for yield due to CPU constraints = limited MLU's. In fact, one MLU wipes out a significant qty of EHP due again to CPU constraints, not the loss of a low slot.

Heh. So it sounds like the balancing threw choices back at the miners...

And they took the yield.


bah.. easily overcome. cpu rigs, or implant. or just good fitting skills. my mining alt is training Exhumers V and Mining Upgrades V .. i won't let any fit she flies go below 35k roughly.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-08-07 02:30:27 UTC
Figures. Even when they get a near dedicated patch, miners still aren't happy.