EVE General Discussion

Greetings,

I was listening to the Voices Podcast and doing some mining (Player v. Rock) and something along the lines of the cast got me thinking about why EVE seems to have some major contradicions that really do shoot it in the foot, and I am sure there are others with some, so for CCP (since there is this new openess with CCCP, er... CCP about communications) it may help to clear of the things that some players are all about with here.

Mine:

1. "TRUST NO ONE IN EVE" - then - "JOIN A CORP or the game sucks basically, and it does, I know I have been solo for 2yrs, but I am odd that way, I like suckage apparently.

2. "We want new players" - then - Rookie ships and starting frigates and cruisers really do look like the crappiest ship in the game.

3. "YOU MUST GO TO NULL TO GET RICH" - then - "TRUST NO ONE", but only can you get there if you JOIN an ALLIANCE...

... right off the bat this came to mind, list you can think of some... enjoy.

1. 100% same here. odd thing is CCP announce it in game "Join a Player Corporation" - Yet we know "Trust no one" is the golden rule.
2. There has been a huge improvement in Rookie training courses offered ingame by Aura and her Pals. I think a new player sees even the most basic ship as "wow". Then they see the other ships and hopefully that captures their interest to stay in Eve.
3. Null sec to get rich, yet you could swear that highsec is richest by the way some comments in these forums are made. You should never, ever send a newbie into Nullsec.

I'm not sufficiently creative this morning to come up with any of my own thoughts on this, need my coffee

Cheers.

I disagree entirely.

Our alliance very frequently sees brand new players, less than a week old, become billionaires as a result of donations from other members, the preponderance of alliance subsidized programs catering to newbies, and the wealth of opportunities that anyone with the right information can exploit. Access to a group of friends, a wealth of data that documents much more about the game than the game itself does, and mentoring towards effectively doing whatever it is they want to do is how you make newbies feel welcome, keep them interested in the game, and see to their success.

You get those things from a player corporation, not from going it alone. I mean, by all means, if you want you can certainly mine Veldspar or run Level 1 missions in high-security space for a few hours to finance your first Cruiser, then continue to slowly grind your way up from the bottom as you beat your head against a wall trying to figure things out for yourself; or, you can pod jump out to nullsec (or wherever your particular alliance or corporation lives) and enjoy the multiplayer experience. I wish that I had been in Goonfleet from day one, when I first picked up this game, instead of floating around, lost and confused, in a Merlin wondering why I kept dying during any mission against Sansha's Nation or the Blood Raiders. The truth is that a brand new player, with an established corporation or alliance to guide him, can make more ISK and have more fun in a week than a clueless idiot bumbling his way blindly through high-security space can make by himself in a year.

The only person who has nothing to offer is a person who is not willing to offer anything.

Glib, very easy to say that and try feel smug about it. Got anything intelligent to contribute or are you always this moribund ?
I's like saying "this tomato is red, therefore it is not an orange" - Using your semantic logic.

nah, I'd rather join a well-run Corp.

Intelligent Design.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/goonswarm%20recruitment/PinkFlagg/Eve/everyshipcounts.jpg

Just gonna leave that here.

If you join SA to get into Goonswarm, then you will be waiting a while. But while you wait, be sure to actually take part in the forums, both because you won't get in unless you have a few hundred posts to your name and because otherwise you'll likely find yourself in a space guild filled with a culture that you don't understand or like. So far as actually being useful to a corp, I disagree that it requires any specific skills. Propulsion Jamming I, Afterburner III, High Speed Maneuvering I and Minmatar Frigate III give you a tackling Rifter which is useful in any size of fleet.

Dam you people who think you need skills to come out to null, WE NEED UNSKILLED PILOTS!!!!

For the last week, half the fleets I have been in have kinda sucked due to lack of fast tackle, for the simple reason that what noobs are out there are afraid to look unskilled in a rifter. Get in fast tackle, and get out here to help us(which ever corp/alliance/faction you like, I've seen this in opposing fleets too), and if you find yourself liking the tackle roles, you can always skill in that direction.

Without the experience out here tho, you will never know WHAT you need to train to be effective in a fleet, and will keep thinking you need more.

Edit: I've been doing a bit of recruiting lately, and most pilots who join up find themselves in a rifter anyway, since they aren't trained for the doctrine fleets they need to fly anyway.