Ships & Modules

The general concept is sound and appealing. I like it because:

• Active Tanking is feasible without huge, risky investments in implants, alts and drugs.

• Ships with limited mids are able to fit a tank and full tackle making them much more effective - the Cyclone and Ferox would be prime examples.

• Other ships have their cookie cutter fits challenged - Nuets vs. Moar DPS to beat the ASB fit down faster.

The other side of this coin is that there has to be a huge negative to give people pause before using this module. The minute long reload timer is 'designed' at least to be that negative. The idea is that you are either going to be at your enemy's throat or at their feet. So the question is: Is that a big enough negative?

After seeing Maelstrom posts with three X-LASB's fitted and obvious armour ships swinging over to ASB's, I have to grudgingly and reluctantly admit that it is not. The thing that is probably most shocking about ASB is their fitting cost. They are no more then the Tech 1 version of the same shield type. The capacitor booster feeding the X-LASB is bigger then a Heavy Capacitor Booster II. I guarantee you that if you added the fitting grid or even a portion thereof of a Heavy Booster to the X-LASB's current grid you would effectively limit it's proliferation and numbers. They would certainly not appear on BC. This goes to the other ASB as well. Large married to a medium booster. Medium married to a small booster. Small married to a micro.

The last point I'd like to make is the fact that there are no BPO for the ASB. All blueprints come off of NPC loot drops. This allows CCP to introduce modules on a test basis. If they are overpowered or too burdensome to balance, they can simply stop seeding them. In fact I believe this tactic was voiced in last year's CSM minutes although I could be mistaken.

Iv tried single and Dual T2 rigged Rattler X-Large large, its nothing like you speak of.

My impression:
EPIC tank, for about 5 min.

DPS, Lacking but acceptable at range.

Active tank really brings out the best in the rattle, taking it way above Scorp and Navy raven but only for people who like to active shield tank, myself personally I prefer passive or DPS tanking.


as for Lazors, they are the best all round weapons in the game, capiable of doing everything, from long range DPS to fitting and actually hitting stuff from a ship moving at 1500...

Buffing them would indeed make them OP


If anything needs to be buffed, its Amarr drones!

This is an unbelievably generic troll. Several people have already done it in this thread.

Lol Bullshit? They are loads of fun :P

We were roaming in Ruppies and Vexor's ASB Tank ^_^ :P

Don't forget that it's messing up the balance that existed between neutralizers, active tanking, buffer tanking. Yes, some ships can fit too many neutralizers and/or too easily, but that's a balance problem with those ships. Neutralizers are fine otherwise and have the important function of breaking tanks that cannot (easily) be broken with dps alone.

I'm afraid that if CCP doesn't act soon, people will accept this blunder as the norm and then it will be difficult to have it reverted and more sensible options introduced instead.

That is mostly an issue of active armor tanking need a severe buff more than anything. Armor shoudl have as well some option for pVP active armor tanking. AND also armor repairers could become a bit easier to fit.


Its just simple that active tank can be useful on PVP only if it can tank enough on high dps scenario for long enough to match the time extension a buffer would make.


Simple Idea for different moduel for armor. (JSUT a CONCEPT.. just as example that somethign can be done to make armor tanking ships also be good on active tanking PVP)

Anciliary armor repairer. Normal repairer on most stats but... .when you activate you get a BUFF on your base and current armor hitpoint (like a plate being attached). When you stop the repairer the buff disapears. If you turn it off you need 60 seconds to turn it on again.

This problem does not exist! Well at least doe snot exist with ONE ASB. The problem only arises when a ship can fit more than one ASB and therefo0re avert the drawback of the ASB.


ASB ships demand a different approach and that is GOOD. You can kill ASB ships with a rapier and an arazu.. with pitiful 200 dps. jsut be patient.


I again say only thing must be made is removal of the possibility to fit 2 ASB, or make the reload cycle of one ASB lock ALL ASB from activating

When has CCP ever acted quickly to restore balance?

Again.. tank can be broken without massive dps when its not sustainable! ASB are not sustainable for more than 60 seconds if you can fit only 1.

Yes it prevents fast ganks, but that is EXACLTY the intention of the module!


And no active tanks were NOT overtanked at all. Super expensive setups do not count sicne they are less than 0.001% of pvp in eve. Active tanks outside carriers and dreads have been JOKE for years!


ASB are MUCH less hard to deal than the old HUGE passive buffer tank drakes of past (when they coudl reach 700 dps passive tank)

If all you do is 1v1 on sisi, you should pretty much always be active tanked.