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Planned lowsec sentry "fix" - you guys serious?

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#621 - 2012-08-05 23:38:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So after gate camping, what's next, the bubble camp or the titan hotdrop?

I think Greyscale might give "Awoxing" a look-over. We could probably use an internal pvp toggle for corporations. You know, for balancing.

Oh.

Alright, that makes sense, actually. There are enough tales of people blowing up their "corpmates" to help justify that, right?

Friendly fire wasn't designed to be profitable.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#622 - 2012-08-05 23:44:38 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
Edit - Sorry about the wall o text, I started typing and it happen.

Honest question,

If whats stopping people entering losec is gate camps, cause they are always on gate. Why can't these people just form up and jump on into the gate camp together and lol stomp it? if they Orca out and away then at lease the gates now safe.

If a gate is 24/7 camped, its because no one in eve cares enough to stop it.

Now I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure there are ways around gates. Scouting mostly and not using Auto Pilot shortest route, but that's just me. People die to camps because they choose on that day to not scout ahead when entering dangerous space. It happens, move on.

The camps are not the problem with losec population. The problem is things to do. Why would anyone mine in losec? Its barely better then high sec in the belts, and thou they're small grav sites. The chances of being left alone in a system once a person Dscans a hulk or orca are zero.

People in null will disagree, wrongly might I add. Wormhole people will laugh and not give a **** cause they KNOW I'm wrong, but losec is far and away the most dangerous place in eve to live. In losec pretty much everyone you see is looking too kill you. Its that simple. They're no mass groupings of blues. Not even in FW where either stupid pilots or just plan blue killers, your allies will shoot you.

Losec has the second lowest population, but the second highest kills. This is simply because everyone is basically there too shoot you. The reason for this, is losec has nothing else worth doing. Well 99% of the time, the odd DED site drops some nice stuff but thats all.

If CCP want more people roaming losec, living in losec and traveling around losec. High level dps from gate guns, and insta locking tackle frigs being able to gcc is not the fix.

And too this stupid "Well learn to hunt" crowd. In space with has many paths and roaming scouts. Catching your targets on a gate as they roam, is hunting. Very few people in losec actually sit on entry gates all day. Its just too boring to be done. Also could the people I've seen posting about Titans on losec gates stop. That happen twice for a week while PL were not getting paid to kill people. The second week I got a medal off my corp for being one of the dreads that killed it.

You have a choice in eve, in how you play. The gate gun things is a bad idea, not because I like gate camps. No, its a bad idea because it reduces the number of options for pilots in eve. Pilots that like being pirates, or going on kill everything roams in losec. Removing option that allow ships to die, is a bad idea. They're better ways to deal with camps, they however mostly involve other players breaking them up. I urge those complaining about them to try it, i promise its great fun.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#623 - 2012-08-05 23:51:16 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Honest question,

If whats stopping people entering losec is gate camps, cause they are always on gate. Why can't these people just form up and jump on into the gate camp together and lol stomp it? if they Orca out and away then at lease the gates now safe.

Because they don't need you to tell them how to play their game, you griefer. If they want to play EVE and do all of their mining/missioning/plexing without having to worry about fighting other players, they should be able to do that because they pay subscriptions and are therefore entitled to get the things they want, despite clearly-stated game rules. Honest answer.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Tirelion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#624 - 2012-08-05 23:52:55 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Honest question,

If whats stopping people entering losec is gate camps, cause they are always on gate. Why can't these people just form up and jump on into the gate camp together and lol stomp it? if they Orca out and away then at lease the gates now safe.

Because they don't need you to tell them how to play their game, you griefer. If they want to play EVE and do all of their mining/missioning/plexing without having to worry about fighting other players, they should be able to do that because they pay subscriptions and are therefore entitled to get the things they want, despite clearly-stated game rules. Honest answer.


Before people look at that post and don't get it, this is sarcasm folks. Take a deep breath before reposting some rage. Pirate
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#625 - 2012-08-05 23:53:08 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So after gate camping, what's next, the bubble camp or the titan hotdrop?

I think Greyscale might give "Awoxing" a look-over. We could probably use an internal pvp toggle for corporations. You know, for balancing.

Oh.

Alright, that makes sense, actually. There are enough tales of people blowing up their "corpmates" to help justify that, right?

Friendly fire was never meant to be profitable.

He'll never understand the never not shoot blues philosophy.

Or for the elites, never not bubble blue fleets.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#626 - 2012-08-05 23:53:41 UTC
Tirelion wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Honest question,

If whats stopping people entering losec is gate camps, cause they are always on gate. Why can't these people just form up and jump on into the gate camp together and lol stomp it? if they Orca out and away then at lease the gates now safe.

Because they don't need you to tell them how to play their game, you griefer. If they want to play EVE and do all of their mining/missioning/plexing without having to worry about fighting other players, they should be able to do that because they pay subscriptions and are therefore entitled to get the things they want, despite clearly-stated game rules. Honest answer.

Before people look at that post and don't get it, this is sarcasm folks. Take a deep breath before reposting some rage. Pirate

But it said "honest answer"....

Oh wait, General Discussion.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#627 - 2012-08-06 00:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Honest question,

If whats stopping people entering losec is gate camps, cause they are always on gate. Why can't these people just form up and jump on into the gate camp together and lol stomp it? if they Orca out and away then at lease the gates now safe.

Because they don't need you to tell them how to play their game, you griefer. If they want to play EVE and do all of their mining/missioning/plexing without having to worry about fighting other players, they should be able to do that because they pay subscriptions and are therefore entitled to get the things they want, despite clearly-stated game rules. Honest answer.


I - I'm not a griefer, I treat everyone the same that not blue. Basically a targeting.

2 - Don't use the word "Entitled". No one in eve is entitled to anything. Everything you have you work for, everything you keep you fight for.

3 - The people on the gate also paid to be their. Dismissing one for the other isn't a valid view sorry.

4 - I'm 99% sure, that baring 2 or 3 islands of high sec. Everywhere else in highsec, is reachable from everywhere else in high sec. Mission runners, miners and plexers have high sec options. Once they choose to enter losec they chose to play in the same space as people looking to kill them. Its not anyones fault but there own, if they don't prepare.

5 - CCP keeps npc corps and highsec for people who do not wish to fight anyone. Its their and comes with limits. If that's not enough, players that want more either have to accepted dealing with other players, learn to work around, or find another game.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#628 - 2012-08-06 00:10:43 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
[i]Edit - Sorry about the wall o text, I started typing and it happen.


Never apologize for walls o' text. Let the haters hate, some things just need to be said. Excellent post.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Tirelion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#629 - 2012-08-06 01:32:41 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Honest question,

If whats stopping people entering losec is gate camps, cause they are always on gate. Why can't these people just form up and jump on into the gate camp together and lol stomp it? if they Orca out and away then at lease the gates now safe.

Because they don't need you to tell them how to play their game, you griefer. If they want to play EVE and do all of their mining/missioning/plexing without having to worry about fighting other players, they should be able to do that because they pay subscriptions and are therefore entitled to get the things they want, despite clearly-stated game rules. Honest answer.


I - I'm not a griefer, I treat everyone the same that not blue. Basically a targeting.

2 - Don't use the word "Entitled". No one in eve is entitled to anything. Everything you have you work for, everything you keep you fight for.

3 - The people on the gate also paid to be their. Dismissing one for the other isn't a valid view sorry.

4 - I'm 99% sure, that baring 2 or 3 islands of high sec. Everywhere else in highsec, is reachable from everywhere else in high sec. Mission runners, miners and plexers have high sec options. Once they choose to enter losec they chose to play in the same space as people looking to kill them. Its not anyones fault but there own, if they don't prepare.

5 - CCP keeps npc corps and highsec for people who do not wish to fight anyone. Its their and comes with limits. If that's not enough, players that want more either have to accepted dealing with other players, learn to work around, or find another game.

*Facepalm
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#630 - 2012-08-06 02:22:27 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
So, you're happy with those changes, admit it !! -more peeps coming to low is more peeps to shoot at, just different tactics, this is cool and refreshing for the game.


except more people won't be coming to lowsec


If it keeps gates from being camped for hours by people who shoot anything that comes through, than I might come to low sec more often than I do now. Right now it's only by necessity or it saves an extreme amount of time. I'm not sure I like getting shot at by someone who listens for the gate jump sound so they can pause their movie for a second to try to kill me.

Sure, you can avoid the gate camps if you try. Finding more stuff to do in high sec is less hassle and more fun. Stop camping the gates and come find me in space, ffs.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#631 - 2012-08-06 02:39:17 UTC
Meh

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.

Ensign X
#632 - 2012-08-06 03:32:43 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Ensign X wrote:
I called smart-bombing battleships fat and lazy and no-skill, which other than fat (admittedly it's not a fair descriptor), they most certainly are. It's the laziest, least skillful form of PVP in EVE.
Of course you know this, because you're proficient at it? Because only those with knowledge of a subject, would make such claims.


This is nonsense. Since when do you need to be "proficient" at something to speak about it with knowledge? What kind of hysterical claim is that? Just a few example of me speaking about a subject with knowledge, despite my lack of "proficiency".


- I've never flown a Proteus, but I can say for damn sure that if you're solo and a squad of them uncloaks next to you, you're dead.

- I've never flown a Dread, but I can say with authority that they're better at shooting structures than Black Ops Battleships, which I've also never flown.

- I've never been to Ethiopia, but I can tell you it's hot there.

- I've never smoked crack, but I can say for damn sure it will **** up your life if you do.

You do not need to be proficient at a subject to speak about it with knowledge. That's just silliness.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#633 - 2012-08-06 03:41:48 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
You do not need to be proficient at a subject to generalize about it with knowledge. That's just silliness.

Fixed that for ya.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Suqq Madiq
#634 - 2012-08-06 03:45:15 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Ensign X wrote:
You do not need to be proficient at a subject to generalize about it with knowledge. That's just silliness.

Fixed that for ya.


The point







Your head


ninja edit: also confirming that crack will ruin yo' shiz.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#635 - 2012-08-06 03:53:36 UTC
The point is that people who have little experience with certain aspects of EVE game play consider themselves qualified to steer development roadwork because they're able to draw conclusions without making inferences.

Ever hear the story about the car dealership manager who decided to have a two-for-one special because it's something that worked at the 99-cent store he previously ran?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Mal Ishos
Steecey's Industries
#636 - 2012-08-06 03:54:04 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Ensign X wrote:
I called smart-bombing battleships fat and lazy and no-skill, which other than fat (admittedly it's not a fair descriptor), they most certainly are. It's the laziest, least skillful form of PVP in EVE.
Of course you know this, because you're proficient at it? Because only those with knowledge of a subject, would make such claims.


Does anybody know of a class or seminar on the skills I needed to become an elite smart bomber? i have the fat and lazy part ~ my doctor says its my thyroid gland ~ but I need to work on the skills next.
Suqq Madiq
#637 - 2012-08-06 03:57:06 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Ever hear the story about the car dealership manager who decided to have a two-for-one special because it's something that worked at the 99-cent store he previously ran?


No, but it sounds like a riveting tale. Would you like to regale me with it over tea and crumpets?
Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#638 - 2012-08-06 04:15:51 UTC
I am new to the game, and have recently fallen into that category of "rats foolish enough to mine in lowsec space". It appears to me there is a complete lack of any negative impact to anyone turning pirate in lowsec. PvPers kill PvEers for simply mining and exploring, without any by-your-leave.

I entered the game thinking PvP was solely the realm of 0.0 space and occasionally lowsec space. I thought lowsec space was where harder PvE was found. I was disheartened to discover that lowsec is just another 0.0 space, where players with high or low security ratings can blast you away on a whim.

I am a hardcore PvE player and have no taste for PvP, especially as unbalanced as it gets in this game. It is as if CCP put no thought into supporting PvE-only players. PvP has been shoved down our throats. Has anyone noticed most other successful MMO game includes PvE servers seperate from PvP servers?

To be limited to highsec space seems belittling and not worth my time. But even in highsec space, I have been harassed by PvPers. This may not be my game, which is a shame since I like most of the rest of it. The PvP kill-or-be-killed attitude sickens me. The player who turned me onto the game was thinking of quitting because he was dreading losing his ship every time he played. I hear the "don't pilot what you aren't willing to lose" but they forgot to add "because there is no balance between players".

Here is my experience with lowsec mining: We entered lowsec space with a mining ships defended by drones good enough for the NPC pirates in the area. We get ganked by frigates. Next we go back with a cruiser to escort the mining ship. We run into a strong group of NPC pirates and are about to finish them off when another player piloting a battlecruiser flies in and instead of helping, blasts us away. What blows me away more was this player had the highest sec rating I had yet to see online. It is as if being good in highsec gave him leave to be evil in lowsec. I couldn't even place a bounty on him as a consequence. Now I dread returning to lowsec with even better and more expensive escorts because I expect to just get jumped by something bigger again. In my opinion lowsec has become a graveyard because of this.

This gate gun change sounds like a limp effort to support PvEers or to revive lowsec space. It does not sound like it will liven up lowsec space at all. It does not sound like it will encourage PvE play either. It actually doesn't sound like it will help anything given many of the responses here. It may be CCP expected players to police themselves, but they forget most gamers are a bloodthirsty lot and would rather blast and kill then sit around and protect the weak.

If I was to choose a change to the game to even things out and revive lowsec and provide a place for PvE players, it would be simply this: If you have a security rating above 0, you cannot attack (or maybe even target) other players with 0 or positive security ratings. Simple, eh? Now, you wonder how do I get a security rating below 0 if I cannot attack players? Well, you earn it by working with NPC pirates, joining a pirate fleet that can kill players, or you start out attacking players at 0 and drop down from there. Once you are below 0, have at it! We can then identify the potential threats. We can place bounties on them. (Another joke, I hear.) We can expect help or neutrality from other positive security players, but no surprises. It may also force players to choose between positive and negative security statuses without any chance to play both sides.

Has this even been suggested? Is it a good idea? I do not know. I am the noob. But I won't be for long, because I may just turn to another more playable game.

* A PvEer Speaks
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#639 - 2012-08-06 04:39:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Pip Mayo wrote:
It may be CCP expected players to police themselves, but they forget most gamers are a bloodthirsty lot and would rather blast and kill then sit around and protect the weak.

So, as per your own words, despite most gamers being interested in blowing each other up in a game where you fit guns to your ships for the purpose of blowing stuff up, you want CCP to implement a pvp flag so the minority of people like yourself can derive enjoyment from the game at the expense of everyone else? Your idea is so detrimental to the spirit of this game that I'm sure not even Greyscale would give it a second of consideration.

You said it yourself: you should turn to another game you'd find more enjoyable. As much as I want EVE to thrive with a large subscriber base, it simply doesn't need players like yourself. I apologize if this somehow offends you, as that's not my intent; I'm simply being blunt. You don't buy a Call of Duty game, and then complain on their forums that players are ruining the experience for you by shooting you, when all you want is to travel around the maps and take screenshots of the nice scenery, right? Because that's essentially what you did with your post.

Pip Mayo wrote:
The PvP kill-or-be-killed attitude sickens me.

That particular line really got to me. It sounds like you should stay as far away from competitive multiplayer games as you possibly can.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Xavier Dragon
Section 8.
#640 - 2012-08-06 04:49:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavier Dragon
Mal Ishos wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Ensign X wrote:
I called smart-bombing battleships fat and lazy and no-skill, which other than fat (admittedly it's not a fair descriptor), they most certainly are. It's the laziest, least skillful form of PVP in EVE.
Of course you know this, because you're proficient at it? Because only those with knowledge of a subject, would make such claims.


Does anybody know of a class or seminar on the skills I needed to become an elite smart bomber? i have the fat and lazy part ~ my doctor says its my thyroid gland ~ but I need to work on the skills next.


Ok, well before the lesson begins, your going to need a few household items.
- some duct tape
- a potato

All right, once you have the required items what you need to do is as follows:

1. Take the potato and place it in the center of your screen
2. Duct tape the potato to your screen
3. ????
4. Profit.