My EVE

If you don't want your feelings hurt, don't come to Curse.

lol, Way to necro a thread for no reason dudes.

I disagree with prom's ideas on a lot of things, but ecm really is an ill-fitting mechanic in a game like EVE. EVE's combat works so well partly because there is a counter to almost everything (especially forms of ewar). Actually you said it yourself in the chat logs, EVE is a rock, paper, scissors game, counters are very important.. ECM has no proper counter. Unlike all other counters, ECCM is chance based just like ECM, which means when it stops a jam, it is now countering, when it doesn't stop the jam, it is useless.

The other issue with ECM and trying to counter it is the insane difficulty of countering it compared to all other ewar. Tracking Disrupted: Get closer or reduce transversal by flying away from your target. Damped: Get closer to the target. Neuted: Activate a cap booster or a nosferatu.

ECM: To realistically avoid jams at a decent rate you need to get between 100-150km from the falcon, even then I've been jammed plenty of times by falcons at 120km in my time flying in EVE. This absurd effective range of the ECM ewar module compared to its cousins is then coupled with the fact that ECM is by far the most powerful form of ewar when used againt a solo player or a small gang. The jamming of even a single enemy ship in a small gang for a single cycle of 20 seconds can often be enough to tip a close fight in the direction of the jammers team, not to mention the multiple ships jammed and multiple cycles of jams that falcons usually achieve on the small gang battlefield.

This all adds up to a module that is way out of sync with anything else in EVE, and even though it is a cliche to say so: frankly it is OP. There is a good reason half of all players seem to carry ecm drones in their drone bay over damage drones.

In fact, CCP Ytterbaum (the ship balancing guy of all people) has even stated that he himself does not think the ECM module fits within the rest of EVE because of it's chance-based mechanics, and he would like to address it sometime in the future. I believe he even hinted at the idea of rebuilding the whole ecm mechanic from the ground up.

So while it is true, that for now ECM is a part of EVE and we all must deal with it, that does not change the fact that the module is incredibly frustrating to meet in battle as a solo or small gang pilot. I appreciate you guys are "battle-hardened EVE vets" who don't care what anyone thinks of them and does whatever they want in the glorious tradition of many EVE pvpers who have come before. But that does not stop the use of such an infuriating mechanic from affecting yours and most of all your regions reputation.

"If you don't want your feelings hurt, don't come to Curse." - Well, it's a basic fact of human psychology that people don't like to get their feelings hurt, and so it happens that Curse currently has a reputation as one of the worst regions possible for solo/small gang (at least among the people I have spoken to) which results in a decline of solo/small gang pvp in the area and eventually means less "good fights" for you guys.

And I don't care what anyone says, everyone likes a good, close fight.

We all know prom likes to rage. The only thing you have revealed by posting this is how much of a ****** you are digging up his thread to post these chat logs.

Grow up man.

Feel free to make yourself look even worse than you already have; if that's possible.

Since this thread appears to have been dragged up with the express purpose of flaming, I'm going to pop a lock on it. Please post responsibly in future, thank you.





Thread locked for flaming and unwarranted necro - ISD Type40.