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Combat Boosters and how to move Contraband in Highsex.!!!
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Beta Bank
Dig Bicks Emporium
#1 - 2012-08-05 17:49:45 UTC
Hi gents after a 6month stint in a c2 wormhole pewpewing and making combat boosters i now feel obliged to share this info with the eve community in hopes of getting more pilots doing drugs and making them cheaper for the general populous!!

Hey ive left the market why not screw with it right?

First thing you'll want to look at is

CHEATSHEET.

This is a googledocs spreadsheet providing you with profit margins on normal and Improved boosters.(never bothered with the highest tier ones-smaller market)

Gas prices are based on Jita BUY's and i found triple stacking orders and updating every other day was providing me with more than enough gas to keep one POS permanently reacting.

As you can see the ROI is INSANE!!!!

One thing to note beacuse im a spazz when it comes to spreadsheets the manafacturing costs dont take into account water/minerals needed for the reactions, and we were getting everything we needed in that regard through PI and maybe 2 mining ops the whole 6 months we were there.

BPC's are generally 5mil for 50runs so that is worth bearing in mind.

Never the less the profit you can stand to make is nothing short of amazing.Even my Trade hubs come no where close to this level of margin.

Now im not going to go into detail about how to manufacture the drugs in terms of POS equipment needed as there are plenty of guides that will provide you with this information but i will blow a lid on something no one i know in eve seems 100percent sure of how to do it,and that is smuggle drugs/contraband through highsec without penalty.


Its really stupidly simple:

1)Load drugs into favourite cloaky ship.
2)Always jump straight through gates rather than warp to 0 then jump.
3)Always re-cloak ASAP en route to next gate.

Thats it....i think i remember reading that this method didn't work sometime ago so whether it has changed (im thinking the patch way back that allowed instajump through gates when warping to them)or if it was possibly misinformation spread by the big booster players i don't know,but it has never failed me.

I have had zero fines from customs using this method and have never had my batches confiscated.

Also something people arent aware of: YOU CANT SELL DRUGS THROUGH CONTRACTS BUT YOU CAN BUY THEM.
This means clients can place want to buy orders directly from their dealers.

So yeah hope some people find this useful.
It was fun competing with you guys (you know who you are)

Any questions?
Vito Tattaglia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-05 19:30:06 UTC
I was thinking of getting into the drug manufacturing business, thanks, this will help a lot.
Rusty Trades
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-05 19:50:46 UTC
Gl with that. you jumped on the bandwagon about a month too late.

Oh yes, there is a massive return per unit between booster manufacturing price and sale price.


But, a lot of people noticed this a month ago, and the market became supersaturated. Booster prices are falling as competition dumps large stocks of boosters onto market. Also that spreadsheet does not factor in BPC cost, Initial tower and silo fuel, and several hundred mil a month for POS fuel. Which has to be installed in .3 or lower.
Beta Bank
Dig Bicks Emporium
#4 - 2012-08-05 20:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Beta Bank
Rusty Trades wrote:
Gl with that. you jumped on the bandwagon about a month too late.

Oh yes, there is a massive return per unit between booster manufacturing price and sale price.


But, a lot of people noticed this a month ago, and the market became supersaturated. Booster prices are falling as competition dumps large stocks of boosters onto market. Also that spreadsheet does not factor in BPC cost, Initial tower and silo fuel, and several hundred mil a month for POS fuel. Which has to be installed in .3 or lower.



DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS ALT SPREADING MISINFORMATION.Glad to see my ex competitors has turned up already.

I have operated in this market for 6months and have watched it for 8.NO WHERE ELSE IN EVE offers this kind of ROI.Yes setup costs in terms of infrastructure can be a little high profits more than make up for it.I broke even 1month into production.

The market isnt super saturated at all in fact there are maybe 3 big players and rest small time dealers.The ROI is unbeatable by any other industry process bar maybe moongoo stuff.Even then its close.

A DICKSTAR IN A C2 IS ALMOST UNTOUCHABLE UNLESS SOMEONE REALLY REALLY REALLY WANTS YOU GONE.

Indy guys stop what your doing....invest in gas and get selling boosters.
Rusty Trades
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-08-05 21:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Rusty Trades
Beta Bank wrote:
Rusty Trades wrote:
Gl with that. you jumped on the bandwagon about a month too late.

Oh yes, there is a massive return per unit between booster manufacturing price and sale price.


But, a lot of people noticed this a month ago, and the market became supersaturated. Booster prices are falling as competition dumps large stocks of boosters onto market. Also that spreadsheet does not factor in BPC cost, Initial tower and silo fuel, and several hundred mil a month for POS fuel. Which has to be installed in .3 or lower.



DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS ALT SPREADING MISINFORMATION.Glad to see my ex competitors has turned up already.

I have operated in this market for 6months and have watched it for 8.NO WHERE ELSE IN EVE offers this kind of ROI.Yes setup costs in terms of infrastructure can be a little high profits more than make up for it.I broke even 1month into production.

The market isnt super saturated at all in fact there are maybe 3 big players and rest small time dealers.The ROI is unbeatable by any other industry process bar maybe moongoo stuff.Even then its close.

A DICKSTAR IN A C2 IS ALMOST UNTOUCHABLE UNLESS SOMEONE REALLY REALLY REALLY WANTS YOU GONE.

Indy guys stop what your doing....invest in gas and get selling boosters.


Lol, transparent gas seller wanting to move his stuff.

Am I booster, producer? Yes, I am, I make Exiles, Mindfloods, and Blue Pills. I also have all my Drug POS's shuttered because demand for drugs is much lower than supply, for one of the more popular (Blue Pill) your looking at an average of around 50 units/day traded across the entire Forge region each day, I'm still trying to liquidate nearly 500 units of each booster, and at very small trade volumes, it's slow. I personally have no intention of getting back in once my stocks are sold out. Producing them is cheap, returns are nice, finding buyers are a *****, since if you talk about combat boosters, 95% of eve thinks you mean cap booster 800's.

So sure, go ahead, produce boosters. Then spend tons of time in jita micromanaging orders in order to stay on top of the sell list to catch the rare buyer, or sell at a very low price. GL on the sell forums, there's at least 4 drug dealing threads up already, all selling fro much lower than jita.

Also I never mentioned losing POS's, nobody bothers even in lowsec on an undefended POS. There's just no money in it to bother bashing a drug reaction POS with only a bil or so worth of gas in it at any one time.
Beta Bank
Dig Bicks Emporium
#6 - 2012-08-05 21:22:14 UTC
Thanks for the confirmation of being an ex compeitior.
LOL
If your selling in one hub AND just on the openmarket your doing it wrong.

Contacts are great and easy to make through looking through killboards at some mid sized pvp corps(most Alliance i should imagine in house produce)
I couldnt react enough gas to keep up with demand.

Sure if you an idiot just sell in Jita.(averaged move for me 50per week of each standard btw by no means babysitting orders)
And batch sell 100's to small/medium pvp corps.

Admit it you dont want us to crash your markets <3
Beta Bank
Dig Bicks Emporium
#7 - 2012-08-05 21:26:21 UTC
I am selling the old blueprint collection i have though on contracts in Jita.Also has all the reactions for standards and most of the improved.

75mil starting bid for them.Have a search for them
Beta Bank
Dig Bicks Emporium
#8 - 2012-08-05 21:29:17 UTC
Looks like boosters already dropping in price.
Rusty Trades
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-05 21:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Rusty Trades
You say that as if it somehow invalidates what im saying? At least whoever reads this knows I'm not talking out of my ass here with no clue what im talking about.

And prices dropping, because of some guide you posted recently?

No, as I said, market is being over-saturated. Being a weekend, the increased competition to keep orders on top is slowly edging prices down.

And I sell drugs in all major hubs and nearby lowsec, as well as on sell forums under multiple names. I just used the Forge as an example most people would recognize.

Also, your spreadsheet is ****** up. None of it factors in considerable tower fuel prices, initial setup of a POS, megacytye, or BPC costs, or trade transaction costs, while assuming you get all you gas from jita buy orders and sell at jita sell prices.

All it factors in in the pure cost of the gas.

Oh, and the whole improved section is screwy beyond belief, Apparently it costs 4 mil to make a standard blue pill that uses 17 pure standard, but a improved that uses that amount + and equal amount of crash is 2.8 mil?

Edit: your spreadsheet shows Improved blue pill being crafted from a mix of Sooth Sayer and X instinct, while in reality it's Crash and Blue Pill, and the rest of it is nearly as bad. Improved crash is being shown as paired with Imp Drop, while it's actually paired with Imp Blue. Awful spreadsheet, fact-check before you release a tool like this publicly.
Beta Bank
Dig Bicks Emporium
#10 - 2012-08-05 22:41:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Beta Bank
Rusty Trades wrote:
You say that as if it somehow invalidates what im saying? At least whoever reads this knows I'm not talking out of my ass here with no clue what im talking about.

And prices dropping, because of some guide you posted recently?

No, as I said, market is being over-saturated. Being a weekend, the increased competition to keep orders on top is slowly edging prices down.

And I sell drugs in all major hubs and nearby lowsec, as well as on sell forums under multiple names. I just used the Forge as an example most people would recognize.

Also, your spreadsheet is ****** up. None of it factors in considerable tower fuel prices, initial setup of a POS, megacytye, or BPC costs, or trade transaction costs, while assuming you get all you gas from jita buy orders and sell at jita sell prices.

All it factors in in the pure cost of the gas.

Oh, and the whole improved section is screwy beyond belief, Apparently it costs 4 mil to make a standard blue pill that uses 17 pure standard, but a improved that uses that amount + and equal amount of crash is 2.8 mil?

Edit: your spreadsheet shows Improved blue pill being crafted from a mix of Sooth Sayer and X instinct, while in reality it's Crash and Blue Pill, and the rest of it is nearly as bad. Improved crash is being shown as paired with Imp Drop, while it's actually paired with Imp Blue. Awful spreadsheet, fact-check before you release a tool like this publicly.


Again trying to knock back the evidence because your scared for your margins.

The spreadsheet doesnt cover POS costs your right as well as BPC costs as i stated in original post.Its not detailed but if your living in a WH your running a POS regardless.Fuel costs were subtracted over 6months and the fact still stands i made 14odd bil and change just from the booster trade.

Apologies if the spreadsheet is a little screwy with the imps it was never a focus of mine unless i was using the offcuts from standard production.

Market isnt over saturated if your not selling your not doing something right.

EDIT:spreadsheet fixed,wasnt broken just sub header in wrong column.Thought you would have worked that out.
Beta Bank
Dig Bicks Emporium
#11 - 2012-08-05 22:49:56 UTC
Beta Bank wrote:
Rusty Trades wrote:
You say that as if it somehow invalidates what im saying? At least whoever reads this knows I'm not talking out of my ass here with no clue what im talking about.

And prices dropping, because of some guide you posted recently?

No, as I said, market is being over-saturated. Being a weekend, the increased competition to keep orders on top is slowly edging prices down.

And I sell drugs in all major hubs and nearby lowsec, as well as on sell forums under multiple names. I just used the Forge as an example most people would recognize.

Also, your spreadsheet is ****** up. None of it factors in considerable tower fuel prices, initial setup of a POS, megacytye, or BPC costs, or trade transaction costs, while assuming you get all you gas from jita buy orders and sell at jita sell prices.

All it factors in in the pure cost of the gas.

Oh, and the whole improved section is screwy beyond belief, Apparently it costs 4 mil to make a standard blue pill that uses 17 pure standard, but a improved that uses that amount + and equal amount of crash is 2.8 mil?

Edit: your spreadsheet shows Improved blue pill being crafted from a mix of Sooth Sayer and X instinct, while in reality it's Crash and Blue Pill, and the rest of it is nearly as bad. Improved crash is being shown as paired with Imp Drop, while it's actually paired with Imp Blue. Awful spreadsheet, fact-check before you release a tool like this publicly.


Again trying to knock back the evidence because your scared for your margins.

The spreadsheet doesnt cover POS costs your right as well as BPC costs as i stated in original post.Its not detailed but if your living in a WH your running a POS regardless.Fuel costs were subtracted over 6months and the fact still stands i made 14odd bil and change just from the booster trade.

Apologies if the spreadsheet is a little screwy with the imps it was never a focus of mine unless i was using the offcuts from standard production.

Market isnt over saturated if your not selling your not doing something right.

EDIT:spreadsheet fixed,wasnt broken just sub header in wrong column.Thought you would have worked that out.



Edit:I have an idea seeing as your leaving the business and selling up shop why dont you link us your sheets.Why not if the business is lagging and theirs no demand right?I already know the reply to this,,,,,,
Rusty Trades
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-05 23:22:30 UTC
Never really been a spreadsheet sort of guy. I don't buy gas off market, I either blitz mine it myself with the 3 chars @ gas harvesting V, (all my amber cyto) have agreements with friendly gas miners from each region I need gas from, I get it cheaply (15% below buy price), they don't have to haul it, or play the market game, and in return I get my main's alliance to drop 60 BS's + carriers on whoever attacks their reaction POS's in lowsec near Jita.

I probably make my boosters for even cheaper than your spreadsheet there even factoring fuel+misc, but the random indy producers you urge to jump into this easy ad lucrative business (lol) wont have the means or contacts to set things up like I had.

As to why I'm leaving the business, I have 12 bil or so in drugs stockpiled for sale and I'm returning to school full time in 2 weeks, I will be letting a few accounts go inactive, including the one with the drug producer on it.

At the height of my production, I was running 16 reactor lines at the same time, putting out around 14 boosters per hour. Dunno about you, but 300+ boosters a day is a bit more than I was able to move even selling across most of eve and part of nullsec.
Acid Eator
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-08-06 22:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Acid Eator
We did really pull insane profits from this OP and from what i can tell just in terms of ROI (i know selling them is in LARGE volume more involved than say t2modules) its one of the most REWARDING reactions in eve right now that ANYONE more or less can do.

Any other industry process that gives 80-150 ROI?>


Also was it common knowledge that you can avoid customs all together with a cloak?
Comingin Hot
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-08 09:41:25 UTC

This thread is a big CHEAT/SCAM itself.

If it comes to transport, warping to 0km, immdiate jump and Covert ops frig, all that does not save you from customs messages. You still get the message, often if you are already in warp to the next gate. You could kind of exploit, make a new character with 0 ISK and have then negative wallet. Exploit would be, if you delete it right after you used it for that, if I am not mistaken.

Combat Boosters are broken in many ways about which this OP is not talking.

1) The use of them is limited. I.e. I tried recently to use the Crash boosters. Almost nobody uses them. Not very useful. Just use instead a smaller missile launcher, which fits better to the size of the target and hits full damage.

2) the side effects are often a pain. You cant go in a fight and hope, that 1 of the 4 which makes it worse for you, will not come. Well, you can, but you have to consume the booster before the fight and then watch teh side effects in Attributs window. If the wrong one comes up, you can not fight sometimes. CCP thought about deleting all side effects out of the game. I just hope they do this sometime.

3) I did all steps of combat booster production. Harvesting gas, getting the BPCs or just buy them, is the easiest part. But the reactions take forever, especially for improved and strong boosters. This means, you have billions of ISK bound in this business. I still have a stock of combat boosters, materials and BPCs/Reactions from when i stopped this years ago, worth billions.

4) Sales are only good for a few producers, who have a longterm deal with an alliance. The demand is very low. No wonder because combat boosters are so broken.

tl:dr

If you calc in these fabulous ROI on paper, how much time you need to turn it into money, you are better of with doing straight Ano Ratting or something like that.

I just hope in future CCP redesigns the combat boosters and the reactions, too.
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-08-08 10:30:30 UTC
Comingin Hot wrote:

This thread is a big CHEAT/SCAM itself.

If it comes to transport, warping to 0km, immdiate jump and Covert ops frig, all that does not save you from customs messages. You still get the message, often if you are already in warp to the next gate. You could kind of exploit, make a new character with 0 ISK and have then negative wallet. Exploit would be, if you delete it right after you used it for that, if I am not mistaken.

Combat Boosters are broken in many ways about which this OP is not talking.

1) The use of them is limited. I.e. I tried recently to use the Crash boosters. Almost nobody uses them. Not very useful. Just use instead a smaller missile launcher, which fits better to the size of the target and hits full damage.

2) the side effects are often a pain. You cant go in a fight and hope, that 1 of the 4 which makes it worse for you, will not come. Well, you can, but you have to consume the booster before the fight and then watch teh side effects in Attributs window. If the wrong one comes up, you can not fight sometimes. CCP thought about deleting all side effects out of the game. I just hope they do this sometime.

3) I did all steps of combat booster production. Harvesting gas, getting the BPCs or just buy them, is the easiest part. But the reactions take forever, especially for improved and strong boosters. This means, you have billions of ISK bound in this business. I still have a stock of combat boosters, materials and BPCs/Reactions from when i stopped this years ago, worth billions.

4) Sales are only good for a few producers, who have a longterm deal with an alliance. The demand is very low. No wonder because combat boosters are so broken.

tl:dr

If you calc in these fabulous ROI on paper, how much time you need to turn it into money, you are better of with doing straight Ano Ratting or something like that.

I just hope in future CCP redesigns the combat boosters and the reactions, too.


Eh, as much as I hate to support the OP in anything.

No, it's not a scam, just a thinly veiled attempt to sell off his leftover stock of gas/BPCs/Reactions

Also, crash boosters? god why? Everything is more useful than crash.

Yes you can end up with a ton of leftover valuable is bound up in it, that's why the OP made this post trying to get everyone else to buy the stuff. But nobody ever actually publicly discloses a so called "super isk goldmine 100% ROI" situation unless they benefit by say... selling off all his stuff. Not that it's anywhere near 100% after all the added expenses and time anyway.

You don't warp to 0 then jump, you select jump on the next stargate after each jump and then recloak as soon as you start to align. That works. I just ran a route of Autaris -> Misaba -> Jita -> Rens -> Amarr in a covops hauler moving boosters and didn't get caught once.

You don't get a side effect automatically, you have a base 20% chance of getting a SINGLE one of the effects. The chance of getting an effect that is actually harmful if extremely small. This can also be mitigated with the Nanite Control skillbook down to 15% of a side effect.

But yeah, combat boosters do need a redesign, or at least a hell of a lot of publicity, I'm tired of people asking "cap boosters you mean?" every time I say combat booster.
Comingin Hot
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-08-08 12:38:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Comingin Hot
fuc-k forum ate my post.

if you calc in opportunity costs in the productoin chain, many easier professions make more profit like ratting in anomalies with a good ship. Time matters, you know?

The side effects are a serious threat. You just cant start a fight and wing it. Well, you can - and have to prey, whether plz the wrong side effect might not come.

i.e. for blue pills 3 of the 4 possible side effects is really not nice, if you use them for a shield booster on a gun or missile boat.
Acid Eator
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-08-08 13:00:07 UTC
Comingin Hot wrote:

This thread is a big CHEAT/SCAM itself.

If it comes to transport, warping to 0km, immdiate jump and Covert ops frig, all that does not save you from customs messages. You still get the message, often if you are already in warp to the next gate. You could kind of exploit, make a new character with 0 ISK and have then negative wallet. Exploit would be, if you delete it right after you used it for that, if I am not mistaken.

Combat Boosters are broken in many ways about which this OP is not talking.

1) The use of them is limited. I.e. I tried recently to use the Crash boosters. Almost nobody uses them. Not very useful. Just use instead a smaller missile launcher, which fits better to the size of the target and hits full damage.

2) the side effects are often a pain. You cant go in a fight and hope, that 1 of the 4 which makes it worse for you, will not come. Well, you can, but you have to consume the booster before the fight and then watch teh side effects in Attributs window. If the wrong one comes up, you can not fight sometimes. CCP thought about deleting all side effects out of the game. I just hope they do this sometime.

3) I did all steps of combat booster production. Harvesting gas, getting the BPCs or just buy them, is the easiest part. But the reactions take forever, especially for improved and strong boosters. This means, you have billions of ISK bound in this business. I still have a stock of combat boosters, materials and BPCs/Reactions from when i stopped this years ago, worth billions.

4) Sales are only good for a few producers, who have a longterm deal with an alliance. The demand is very low. No wonder because combat boosters are so broken.

tl:dr

If you calc in these fabulous ROI on paper, how much time you need to turn it into money, you are better of with doing straight Ano Ratting or something like that.

I just hope in future CCP redesigns the combat boosters and the reactions, too.



Dude your wrong:

Ive just moved 300 boosters in a crane from Rens -------> Jita ALL HIGHSEC without one custom pop up or one fine.
YOU CAN MOVE THEM IN HIGHSEC WITH CLOAKY HAULER WITHOUT PENALTY....go try if you still dont believe.

And to answer your points.

1)The use of them isnt limited>Some boosters are more suited to specific ships than others.I thought this would be obvious.

2)The side effects can be a pain but the pros are almost ALWAYS better than these drawbacks.This is brilliant blog post covering why combat boosters are SOOOOOO useful in pvp.
http://kirithdarkblade.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/introduction-to-boosters-in-eve-online.html
And a direct quote from it for those to lazy to click:

Most boosters can cause side effects and the general misundertanding of the side effects is the reason why so few people use combat boosters. All types of boosters except Synth can cause up to 4 side effects at the same time. However, for a 20% chance side effect booster, the chance to suffer from all the possible side effects at once is only 0.002%.

Look at any of the recent PVP video's(garmon etc)of solo and even small gang(.....everyone is popping pills buddy!

Also, even if you are that 0.002% unlucky guy, almost all the time (it depends on your fit), your ship is still more powerful than without the booster.

3)Dont bother will all steps of production especially harvesting it yourself.Buy from the market when the time and margins are
good enough for you.'' I still have a stock of combat boosters, materials and BPCs/Reactions from when i stopped this years ago, worth billions. '' I think this is key.....Years ago boosters had no where near the popularity they do now...PvPer's now know the edge these pills give them and are moving (with some decent contacts) in high enough volume to justify the inital outlay.As said in my OP i turned over 14bil of just drugs sales during my time in the business.This based of an inital 3bil seed was a great return.Also to note your biggest market is going to be in standard boosters.These made up 80percent of my inventory during business - if your focusing on the high end capital ship pilot pills you doing it backwards.

4)The big alliances produce in house most of my business came from small/medium sized pvp corps and selling strategically on the open market.


COMBAT BOOSTERS ARE NOT BROKEN.THE PROFIT MARGINS THOUGH.....
Acid Eator
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-08-08 13:03:29 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Comingin Hot wrote:

This thread is a big CHEAT/SCAM itself.

If it comes to transport, warping to 0km, immdiate jump and Covert ops frig, all that does not save you from customs messages. You still get the message, often if you are already in warp to the next gate. You could kind of exploit, make a new character with 0 ISK and have then negative wallet. Exploit would be, if you delete it right after you used it for that, if I am not mistaken.

Combat Boosters are broken in many ways about which this OP is not talking.

1) The use of them is limited. I.e. I tried recently to use the Crash boosters. Almost nobody uses them. Not very useful. Just use instead a smaller missile launcher, which fits better to the size of the target and hits full damage.

2) the side effects are often a pain. You cant go in a fight and hope, that 1 of the 4 which makes it worse for you, will not come. Well, you can, but you have to consume the booster before the fight and then watch teh side effects in Attributs window. If the wrong one comes up, you can not fight sometimes. CCP thought about deleting all side effects out of the game. I just hope they do this sometime.

3) I did all steps of combat booster production. Harvesting gas, getting the BPCs or just buy them, is the easiest part. But the reactions take forever, especially for improved and strong boosters. This means, you have billions of ISK bound in this business. I still have a stock of combat boosters, materials and BPCs/Reactions from when i stopped this years ago, worth billions.

4) Sales are only good for a few producers, who have a longterm deal with an alliance. The demand is very low. No wonder because combat boosters are so broken.

tl:dr

If you calc in these fabulous ROI on paper, how much time you need to turn it into money, you are better of with doing straight Ano Ratting or something like that.

I just hope in future CCP redesigns the combat boosters and the reactions, too.


Eh, as much as I hate to support the OP in anything.

No, it's not a scam, just a thinly veiled attempt to sell off his leftover stock of gas/BPCs/Reactions

Also, crash boosters? god why? Everything is more useful than crash.

Yes you can end up with a ton of leftover valuable is bound up in it, that's why the OP made this post trying to get everyone else to buy the stuff. But nobody ever actually publicly discloses a so called "super isk goldmine 100% ROI" situation unless they benefit by say... selling off all his stuff. Not that it's anywhere near 100% after all the added expenses and time anyway.

You don't warp to 0 then jump, you select jump on the next stargate after each jump and then recloak as soon as you start to align. That works. I just ran a route of Autaris -> Misaba -> Jita -> Rens -> Amarr in a covops hauler moving boosters and didn't get caught once.

You don't get a side effect automatically, you have a base 20% chance of getting a SINGLE one of the effects. The chance of getting an effect that is actually harmful if extremely small. This can also be mitigated with the Nanite Control skillbook down to 15% of a side effect.

But yeah, combat boosters do need a redesign, or at least a hell of a lot of publicity, I'm tired of people asking "cap boosters you mean?" every time I say combat booster.



Ok a couple of things....

Firstly thanks for CONFIRMING that you can cloak move drugs and contrband without penalty.Jesus i thought id have to say that every new post i did before someone else would confirm this.

As for why im disclosing this information...why not im outa the business i've made my slice of the pie and nothing would please me more that to **** over my ex competition without even competing with them directly :)

We've still yet to come up with another industry process that provides this ROI.
Acid Eator
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-08 13:05:59 UTC
Comingin Hot wrote:
fuc-k forum ate my post.

if you calc in opportunity costs in the productoin chain, many easier professions make more profit like ratting in anomalies with a good ship. Time matters, you know?

The side effects are a serious threat. You just cant start a fight and wing it. Well, you can - and have to prey, whether plz the wrong side effect might not come.

i.e. for blue pills 3 of the 4 possible side effects is really not nice, if you use them for a shield booster on a gun or missile boat.


A standard Blue Pill booster makes it possible to tank 1,400 dps in a Maelstrom.
You have a 20percent chance to get a SMALL penalty to optimal.

Im not saying pop them every engagement but i can think of plenty of times i would swap out a little penalty for such a MASSIVE boost.
Comingin Hot
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-08-08 18:29:43 UTC
Acid Eator wrote:

A standard Blue Pill booster makes it possible to tank 1,400 dps in a Maelstrom.
You have a 20percent chance to get a SMALL penalty to optimal.

Im not saying pop them every engagement but i can think of plenty of times i would swap out a little penalty for such a MASSIVE boost.


Many players collect the fines for moving forbidden combat boosters through high sec. Often if you are a consumer, you might forget, you have 1 in the cargo. Only Capitals and Supers have not this problem. I sell my combat boosters only in Low Sec.

The side effects are bad.

For example the blue pills have not just 1 possible bad side effect. There are 3 severe side effects. One of them usually happens, sometimes none, sometimes more than 1. You can also get a chance of become unstabe cap, if you have less cap buffer than the malus is. If you cap dead all the bonus on shield boosting is not much worth. Or you can lose shield buffer. If you have not enough buffer and too much damage gets through between shield boost cycles too fast, the nice bonus is also worthless. The turret range malus can mess up your optimal. Most of time it is better to bait in a shield buffer tank and rep with eccm supported Shield transfer than use a Maelstrom.

You can make here as much ad as you want. Combat boosters are often not worth the money. Especially not for all the players. who blob anyways. Combat boosters are a nische product and badly broken.

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