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Why do so many EVE players think they are superior gamers?
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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#41 - 2012-08-05 00:47:47 UTC
You don't need your fingers on wasd the whole time just to travel so you can spend more time with your hands on your booze and fags.

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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#42 - 2012-08-05 00:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Well, in my case, it's because I am in certain aspects, superior. I'm crap at PVP, a weakness I am first to admit, my killboard records embarrassingly threadbare these last few years... but in other aspects of this game, I am utterly unmatched. I can be anyone, or influence anyone to do anything. I can achieve any vision I set forth for myself, blast through any goals I make... and the things I learned in Eve make me a nightmare to face in other games.

In Matrix Online, I was the first player taken to the white room after the game launched - due to killing 1,600 completely unprepared players when the next killer below me had 700 kills under his belt. I caused so many to quit the game right after launch, that I warranted a special intervention. This was after killing one of MXO's supposedly un-killable event staff, Niobe. Kung Fu + Submachine Guns = pwnsauce.

In DarkSpace, I got kicked out of the game for exterminating a quarter of the subscriber base. I'm not actually sure whether this was before Eve or after, but it displays a mindset.

I haven't learned a damn about humility though. I just pretend to be humble sometimes.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-08-05 01:01:35 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
You don't need your fingers on wasd the whole time just to travel so you can spend more time with your hands on your booze and fags.


i know, right? and you don't even have to pay the griffin rider 20 copper to autopilot your way to your destination. Can't argue with that logic.

On a side note, I kinda wish I could WASD. My index finger and middle finger are developing repetitive stress syndrome while my left hand atrophies from disuse.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#44 - 2012-08-05 01:02:35 UTC
You won't become a doctor if you are a boxer.

Look at the previous generations of games and this one and tell me what hasn't been dumbed down some more for a already mentally numb generation of gamers that are all about achievements, instant gratification and no challenge.

The number of games that really challenges you as a individual and as a gamer can be counted on five fingers compared to the shovelware of twitch, macro-micro based games.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Alara IonStorm
#45 - 2012-08-05 01:04:06 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:

On a side note, I kinda wish I could WASD. My index finger and middle finger are developing repetitive stress syndrome while my left hand atrophies from disuse.

CCP solved the left hand problem ages ago. They added an in game browser.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#46 - 2012-08-05 02:56:07 UTC
Not sure about eve players vs other game players but from what I observer in eve player on eve player:


Terrible players who don't stand out in any activity (in their own point of view and others') they attempt, or don't even attempt stuff because it's too hard or someone's in the way, will always say there is no skill in eve.

The successful players just do their thing and they know they are superior. No need to point it out until asked why. Big smile
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#47 - 2012-08-05 03:34:39 UTC
Players in every game think that way...
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#48 - 2012-08-05 03:59:29 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill

I think somewhere in there it talks about Eve.

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Higgs Maken
The Metal Box Company
#49 - 2012-08-05 04:05:40 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?


Firstly, I need to confess I have not read all the comments, thus please bear with me if someone have posted something similar.

Look beyond EVE and focus on the current Olympics, China's Ye Shiwen won Gold and what did her critics say? She is CHEATING! "I'm better then her, there is no way she could beat me, she must be cheating," this is probably what's running in their mind. That's how real people apply first aid to their ego and justified their lost. When it comes to video game PVP, don't we always have winner proclamining they won because of skills and bitter losers QQing it's not fair: winner have this advantage that advantage, if it's a fair fight they would have won. The superior complex you're talking about exists in everyone.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-08-05 04:08:15 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:

On a side note, I kinda wish I could WASD. My index finger and middle finger are developing repetitive stress syndrome while my left hand atrophies from disuse.

CCP solved the left hand problem ages ago. They added an in game browser.


Wish it supported flash Evil

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ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-08-05 04:18:45 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
We don't. We think youre inferior.


Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right.

Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks


Because this forum seems to be full of 6 week old idiots who post crap like this and expect to get a serious answer from bitter vets who frankly have seen it all before.

And if you're going to complain that you're not really a 6 week old newbie at least try and be a bit more f@@@ing obvious with your alt name.
Ensign X
#52 - 2012-08-05 04:22:37 UTC
It's not about EVE players thinking they're superior, it's nerds in general thinking they're superior. Nerds have been beaten down, spit on and reminded how worthless they are for most of their life - despite what Revenge of the Nerds would tell you.

Then, along comes the internet, and all of a sudden nerds gain anonymity and the protection their monitors provide. Some of the bitterest and most jaded of the nerds ended up playing EVE, for obvious reasons, and since they no longer have the filter of a bullies fist in their mouth they lash out at other nerds in a fit of self-loathing.

I pity the nerd.
Spy 21
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-08-05 04:25:10 UTC
Anyone who is not finding ever increasing levels of complexity and nuance in this game in it's finer points as they get more and more experienced is simply not playing the game to it's full potential.

Sure you can learn to fly a ship, train skills and press f1 fairly quickly which will get you through most missions... but that is not the same as successfully commanding multiple fleets, holding an alliance together, keeping pilots motivated, controlling... ie CONTROLLING a market niche, manufacturing the most efficient way, creating new strategies that can be widely adapted by a community of thousands et al...

OP, and those that may have agreed without thinking... are not thinking.

S

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#54 - 2012-08-05 04:28:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Shizuken wrote:
Players in every game think that way...
uhhhhh.... maybe for an mmo noob who has ever only played one mmo in their lifetime. Having played many graphical muds over the past 15 years (and text before that), I do recognize a difference between one to the next. Bottom line is some mmo's just attract certain types of players. None are exclusive to any particular types, we all get different things out of games, but sometimes you just pick up on blindingly bright observations of certain games and the types of players that attract to them, and often are marketed to.

Ensign X wrote:
for obvious reasons

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EVE is a game for geeks, not nerds. Nerds trying to be geeks you mean? back to wow they go, eventually ;)

—Ω—
Xiang Jing
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-08-05 04:32:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Xiang Jing
Eh, you see superiority complexes from players in any game that has a competitive element. Noscopez FPS, MOBA games (especially MOBA games), any MMO with a PvP segment, 4x4 strategy games, etc.

The nuances and differences in gameplay between Eve and other MMOs are probably the biggest walls to overcome. It takes skill to learn them, but if every MMO was a slower-paced PvP space "sim" and then something like Guild Wars came along, we'd all be crapping our collective pants at the fast-paced nature of arena combat. Don't underestimate gaming habits that develop from playing similar games/genres over and over.

All that said, I think it's safe to say Eve does offer a steeper learning curve because of the mass of mechanics and sandbox possibilities, but it's not a complete renegade in that regard.

Also, we can cite Youtube comments to support our argument now? I wish I had known that sooner.
Caldari Acolyte
Shark Enterprises
#56 - 2012-08-05 04:45:37 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?


Heres a challange for you Mr Genius

1. Please list these games that are more in-depth & complicated than Eveonline.

2. Please show me an example of the average RL age 12 year old who plays WoW that has mastered Eveonline.

3. When and if you can provide these requests ( and i don't think you can ) you will have convinced me P
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#57 - 2012-08-05 05:05:34 UTC
Confirming I feel vastly superior to any player who does not fly a spaceship. This feeling exponentially increases if said player uses an elf character, moves around mounting a magical animal or walks around with a cape.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#58 - 2012-08-05 05:25:53 UTC
Because we are.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#59 - 2012-08-05 05:34:40 UTC
Xiang Jing wrote:
but it's not a complete renegade in that regard.
Ugh what else? apart from swg pre-cu that is long gone? Our type of gaming has been long abandoned from the industry, apart from an indie developer (bless you ccp). The Sith rule the galaxy now.

—Ω—
Raubrey
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#60 - 2012-08-05 06:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Raubrey
I found myself name dropping Eve in another MMO I'm trying and I'm not sure why ... other than the fact their egos could use taming.

But giving the OP some thought, I say:

No Skill?

1) Try developing a successful corporation, better yet an alliance, and keep it going for one, three or five years.
2) Beat the psych ops of a spy who has infiltrated your corp.
3) Own local or at least keep up with and/or affect it, or ignore it altogether.
4) Financially support yourself in the game without opening your wallet.
5) FC a fleet/gang to victory -- more than once -- and against the odds.
6) Don't emo-quit Eve ever.
7) Figure out how to not let an over-powered or extended war dec ruin your game time.
8) Fit an awesome PvP ship without help.
9) Play Eve for a year and keep a sense of humor.
10) Ruin someone else's day. (for evil players).

All of these things and more require skill. And, I don't claim mastery of them.

As an aside, I'm on a quest to find an MMO that remotely matches Eve in terms of skill, variety, metagaming and its unique addictive quality that challenges you to not be your own worst enemy. (e.g., Did I really fall for that scam or leroy that hauler into low-sec?)

Do I expect to find such an MMO? Not today. Do I love Eve? Not always.

Do I think I"m superior? Only when playing Civilization Big smile and when I'm around other gamers who have better hand-eye co-ordination than I, but lack signs of other useful qualities that would serve them in life. This happens both in and out of Eve, by the way.
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